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The final clubs that the movie presents as the driving forces of social life at Harvard were and are fundamentally and functionally misogynistic, relics of a ti
by jcnnghm 16y ago
The final clubs that the movie presents as the driving forces of social life at Harvard were and are fundamentally and functionally misogynistic, relics of a time when women couldn't own property and gained access to elite spaces based on either pedigree or sex appeal. At Harvard a year ahead of Zuckerberg, I stopped attending parties at the clubs my sophomore year out of disgust (with a rant at one club's president that I was tired of either being invisible or hit on in his club, which essentially ended with him hitting on me and me telling him to fuck off).
She seems kind of bitter. I wonder what her thoughts are on the female-only clubs at Harvard. It has always struck me as highly hypocritical that the same women that scream loudly about any sort of all-male social club have no problem whatsoever with female-only gyms and the like.
- pgbovine 16y agohave no problem whatsoever with female-only gyms and the like i'm speculating that what they're mad at isn't the fact that there are all-male facilities, but it's how women are treated when they enter said facilities (i.e., like pieces of meat). i think you can fairly call them hypocritical if they attend female-only gyms where every male that enters is only viewed as a sex object
- bpodgursky 16y agoI don't actually think that would be a problem for most men.
- pgbovine 16y agouh, ok without this thread devolving into 4chan ... i doubt that you (or most men) would want to be demeaned and treated like a sex object by a bunch of women whom you find utterly repulsive. maybe a better way to think about this is: replace 'women' with 'massive prisoners', and 'gym' with 'prison'. how many men do you know would appreciate that?
- jcnnghm 16y agoI've gone to the gym an average of over 200 times a year for the last seven years, and I have yet to see a woman demeaned in some kind of prison-esque situation. The plural of anecdote isn't data, but thats a lot of anecdotes from lots of people and places. In fact, the only awkward gender situation I've encountered was a time when a woman asked me to stop using the leg press I was using, and remove the weight, so she could use it. On it's face this seems simple enough, but I had 600lbs on the machine at the time, and taking it off and getting it back on is a workout in itself. I started moving the weights after I explained that I only had one more set, when a trainer came over and told me to finish up, and explained to her it was too much to move, just impractical when I would be done in a minute. I'm sure she views that as some kind of demeaning situation, but the trainer and I both saw it as her being unreasonably demanding, probably without realizing it herself.
- pgbovine 16y agooh sorry i don't think i made my point clear. i didn't mean to say that primarily-male gyms were misogynist. i was referencing the supposedly misogynist frat parties portrayed in the movie and saying that an equivalent form of sexism might be an all-women's gym (or social club) where men were treated like sex objects. one of the parents said something to the effect of "heh heh men would like being treated like that", to which i responded, "ummm, not really". ok this is silly and off-topic by now :)
- earl 16y agoDemanding single sex accommodations for your gender while being strongly opposed to single sex accommodations for the opposite gender is, bluntly, horseshit. If women have a problem with they way they're treated in gyms, they're free to start gyms where such behavior is against the rules. They're just shouldn't be free to ban you for being male.
- jcnnghm 16y agoFurther, she doesn't seem to offer any actual evidence that Facebook was built by female ideas. It seems that everyone that was involved in Facebook in the early stages was male, and everyone that sued Facebook about those early stages was male. Of the two women she cites, one is his sister, and the other joined the company in 2008, long after the company was prominent. As far as depicting successful, prominent, men as more likely to attract women, I'd have to say that's pretty analogous with reality. I have a girlfriend, but when my company has local events, my business partner has significantly better luck than he would otherwise. I went boating with, then to a bunch of bars with the Real World DC cast last year, and people were throwing themselves at them, and that's pretty C list. If you don't think women are more likely to perform sex acts with men with money, or who are famous, or both, I think you are either a liar or delusional. Power is sexy.
- mkramlich 16y agoAnd the world portrayed in the movie is, as in real life, one in which the vast majority of new inventions, technology breakthroughs, and tech businesses, are started and led by men.
- sheena 16y agoAt Harvard at least people didn't like that the male final clubs (which are no longer affiliated with the university) predated all other clubs by many years and came to own prime real estate in Cambridge. It's near impossible for present-day female clubs to afford similar spaces. In part it's that imbalance that rankled, I think, though I'm not sure there's a good solution. Besides, as pgbovine points out, she didn't say she minded the fact that the clubs are male-only, just the attitudes therein.
- NathanKP 16y agoShe seems kind of bitter. This is jezebel.com, and thus must be expected. Not that all content on the site is bad, but I usually don't like the site any more than I like male-centric misogynist blogs.
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- iamdave 16y agoDid she stop attending school as well?