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Point taken and I agree with the advice. That said, you never know what kind of downturn this will be. 2001 was very different than 2008. The GFC was a credit-d

Point taken and I agree with the advice. That said, you never know what kind of downturn this will be. 2001 was very different than 2008. The GFC was a credit-driven crash and took a long time to unwind, during which all of the scared money went splashing into tech so despite her narrative, 2008 was not a recession for many people in the tech industry. Developers didn't get hit at all and there was plenty of VC money sloshing around. The next downturn will (probably, maybe) be a normal run-of-the-mill Fed move based on raising rates to cool off inflation. That probably _will_ affect startups. Still, you never know and it always pays to have a bunch of liquid cash—that's never bad advice.

zamfi 8y ago
Having been there in 2008 (but not 2001) I will say that 2008 did hit developers a little bit: a number of companies (including big ones like Google) had hiring freezes for about 6 months, and investment dried up starting in early 2008 and lasting until nearly the end of 2008. It looked scary for a little bit, even for developers. (Though of course nothing like the rest of the country.) Starting in late 2008 it was all rainbows and ponies again.
- weeksie 8y ago
  Fair! Yeah, I had a kiosk software company that took it in the shorts, at least my attempts at making it work in the US. (Primary customers were real estate trusts like malls and airports and such.) I ended up selling my part and doing consulting dev work when I realized I was beating my head against a brick wall. But yeah, I was back in dev land from the end of 08-onward and despite all the blood sloshing around the canyons of Wall St. the job market for dev bros in NY was booming.
- HeyLaughingBoy 8y ago
  Yup. I remember working for my employer at a job fair during a hiring freeze. Big corporations are nucking futs.
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    As long as the check clears...
- AnsisMalins 8y ago
  Ponies didn't start until late 2010.
- throwaway5752 8y ago
  Yeah, you weren't there in 2001 if you think a 6 month hiring freeze is a hit :)
  - ptd 8y ago
    How long were the hiring freezes in 2001?
    - throwaway5752 8y ago
      It was more like they laid off 50-100% of the company.
    - ci5er 8y ago
      80%+ of the VC-backed tech companies died between March 2000 and Oct 2001 (fuckedcompany.com, anyone?), the remaining laid of 50% or so, hiring was dead until 2003, and while the the VCs had stopped hiding under their desks by then, they were still skitterish until 2005. Which is why I was shocked at how mild the pause was in 2008...
    - vitaflo 8y ago
      Hiring freeze? If only we were so lucky. Imagine half the tech companies around you straight up folding, and the other half laying off half their workforce. Now imagine you're part of this huge sea of newly shit canned developers and there are NO jobs available anywhere. That was pretty much 2001 for me. It was to the point where I honestly thought this whole internet fad had come to an end and I picked the wrong career path. A very large amount of people I know left the field altogether because they couldn't find work in tech.
    - ttul 8y ago
      Picture SOMA with 50% office vacancy. Literally landlords would give you an office for free just to keep people from vandalizing it. And this went on in 2001-2003. The recovery of tech took a really really long time. I miss the tech crash. So many great people were floating around with nothing to do. It was a good time to be starting something.
- sk5t 8y ago
  Hmm, the blood was really in the streets around March 2009--e.g. folks thought BAC and C might go to zip.
dirtyaura 8y ago
When the crash happened, most funding round discussions were halted. There was a huge uncertainity about what will happen in economy in general for several months. I believe every crash is like that: there is huge uncertainity and at that moment it feels once-in-a-lifetime, world changing event for most of the people. This makes it very hard for even rational public market investors to buy from the bottom
FLUX-YOU 8y ago
I think way too many people wrongly think the economy is separated enough from the current administration. There's a decent enough chance that the next recession is driven by the current administration's decisions.

zamfi 8y ago

Having been there in 2008 (but not 2001) I will say that 2008 did hit developers a little bit: a number of companies (including big ones like Google) had hiring freezes for about 6 months, and investment dried up starting in early 2008 and lasting until nearly the end of 2008. It looked scary for a little bit, even for developers. (Though of course nothing like the rest of the country.) Starting in late 2008 it was all rainbows and ponies again.

weeksie 8y ago
Fair! Yeah, I had a kiosk software company that took it in the shorts, at least my attempts at making it work in the US. (Primary customers were real estate trusts like malls and airports and such.) I ended up selling my part and doing consulting dev work when I realized I was beating my head against a brick wall. But yeah, I was back in dev land from the end of 08-onward and despite all the blood sloshing around the canyons of Wall St. the job market for dev bros in NY was booming.
HeyLaughingBoy 8y ago
Yup. I remember working for my employer at a job fair during a hiring freeze. Big corporations are nucking futs.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  As long as the check clears...
AnsisMalins 8y ago
Ponies didn't start until late 2010.
throwaway5752 8y ago
Yeah, you weren't there in 2001 if you think a 6 month hiring freeze is a hit :)
- ptd 8y ago
  How long were the hiring freezes in 2001?
  - throwaway5752 8y ago
    It was more like they laid off 50-100% of the company.
  - ci5er 8y ago
    80%+ of the VC-backed tech companies died between March 2000 and Oct 2001 (fuckedcompany.com, anyone?), the remaining laid of 50% or so, hiring was dead until 2003, and while the the VCs had stopped hiding under their desks by then, they were still skitterish until 2005. Which is why I was shocked at how mild the pause was in 2008...
  - vitaflo 8y ago
    Hiring freeze? If only we were so lucky. Imagine half the tech companies around you straight up folding, and the other half laying off half their workforce. Now imagine you're part of this huge sea of newly shit canned developers and there are NO jobs available anywhere. That was pretty much 2001 for me. It was to the point where I honestly thought this whole internet fad had come to an end and I picked the wrong career path. A very large amount of people I know left the field altogether because they couldn't find work in tech.
  - ttul 8y ago
    Picture SOMA with 50% office vacancy. Literally landlords would give you an office for free just to keep people from vandalizing it. And this went on in 2001-2003. The recovery of tech took a really really long time. I miss the tech crash. So many great people were floating around with nothing to do. It was a good time to be starting something.
sk5t 8y ago
Hmm, the blood was really in the streets around March 2009--e.g. folks thought BAC and C might go to zip.

dirtyaura 8y ago

When the crash happened, most funding round discussions were halted. There was a huge uncertainity about what will happen in economy in general for several months. I believe every crash is like that: there is huge uncertainity and at that moment it feels once-in-a-lifetime, world changing event for most of the people. This makes it very hard for even rational public market investors to buy from the bottom

FLUX-YOU 8y ago

I think way too many people wrongly think the economy is separated enough from the current administration. There's a decent enough chance that the next recession is driven by the current administration's decisions.