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Zuckerberg has no really good move here. The human brain is simply not ready for the volume of crap ingestion that the Internet has enabled.

itronitron 8y ago
interestingly, because the volume of crap is so large and homogenous it sort of prevents people from getting information overload, the internet is no longer surfable in the way that it once was
viburnum 8y ago
He has plenty of good moves, but he cares more about making money.
- ggg9990 8y ago
  If you’re asking him to shut down Facebook, you are asking him to relinquish an amount of power that maybe 5 people in history have walked away from.
  - viburnum 8y ago
    If he wants to be a wealthy publisher of Nazi content, that's his choice.
  - MBCook 8y ago
    They have policies against hate speech. They could attempt to enforce those in a sane/meaningful way. Instead, much like Twitter, they seem to go out of their way to find ways to not use their own policies in the extremely clear cut cases.
    - gremlinsinc 8y ago
      The issue is... I don't agree w/ nor support those who say the earth is flat or holocaust didn't happen. It insults my intelligence, but it's not necessarily hate speech to say it didn't happen. It's ignorant speech for sure. Hate speech would be to say 'jews deserved it', or 'x group deserved it', or 'I wish the holocaust really did happen'.. I've heard that kind of rhettoric on and off FB, and that should def. be removed. There's a difference between someone commenting, 'well, I don't believe that happened'...while everyone else is like, 'well you're a dumb fuck, w/e' and moves on. I think Zuck did the right thing, made the right call. By taking away the platform he only makes them angrier, loses power of the platform, by making them think they still have a voice (even if it's buried so deep on the newsfeed that you'd need Elon Musk to bore a hole to find it), you acquiesce and de-escalate their emotions about 'not being heard' .. rather than ban the content outright. Again threats, and real hate speech should be removed and policed, but some crazy shit should be just marginalized to the point it doesn't really matter.
      - MBCook 8y ago
        I agree about flat Earthers. It’s moronic but doesn’t esslly hurt anyone. I disagree about the holocaust.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        I think there's a difference in denying an 'event' took place... and being blatantly racist, some people just really honestly believe that (because they're retarded or their parents were, and passed on that gene). There's levels. I'm sure denying the moon landing hurts those who were there... There are people who deny that Columbus killed millions, and enslaved millions more in the short time he was here. -- It's offensive, but not something you can convince them they're wrong on. I think if nobody SEES the post, does it really exist? I as user can see it so yay, FB didn't block me. While, I as another user, friend of first user cannot see it, so never happened... That's honestly the best policy probably, I mean it's also got to be something AI can train for, because they're not going to pay people to read and approve EVER comment or post on fb, that'd be insane. I don't understand how saying the holocaust didn't happen is considered threatening/hate speech per se, and not just mis-information. Again, I say this as a progressive, definitely against fascism here and Trump, but I also have Aspergers so have trouble sometimes 'feeling' the way others think I should feel about a subject, and logically it doesn't really elicit the same feeling as that Vice video, w/ the woman who didn't believe it happened, but wished it had - her wanting millions of jews dead is disgusting - more so, than just not believing it happened... I guess, I don't feel that someone else's belief in historical events is as bad as other speech. I think there needs to be a fine line, and I agree where Mark drew that.
        cmurf 8y ago
        If you believe people learn from history, or learn from mistakes, then you must recognize that any attempt to diminish, reduce, suppress, discredit history is not mere misinformation. It's planned deception with a purpose that not well intentioned. Perhaps innocently ignorant is "I've never heard of the holocaust, tell me more." Or even, "I've heard of the holocaust, but I have no concrete reasons to believe it happened, it seems incredible." Malevolent, willfully destructive to civil discourse, bordering on fighting words, is "The holocaust did not happen. People who claim it did are liars." But all of that is orthogonal to what Facebook's policy should be. No matter what they're going to run into trouble. The U.S. and E.U. have rather different ideas about the limits of free speech. And even greater differences exist around the world. And in that sense I think it doesn't matter what policy they go with as long as it's consistent, and the CEO doesn't say absurd things like holocaust deniers aren't intentionally getting it wrong, let alone try to give deniers a psychological evaluation. He needs to stick to policy decisions, not evaluate people's intent and end up sugar coating it.
  - danaur 8y ago
    > If you’re asking him to shut down Facebook, you are asking him to relinquish an amount of power that maybe 5 people in history have walked away from. Tangent: who are some of the people you perceive walked away from a similar level of power?
    - ggg9990 8y ago
      Cincinnatus, Washington, de Klerk... probably a handful more
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
  He has good moves. And moves that would serve his interest well. Perfect example of doing good vs doing well. “Superman does good.”
- kjeetgill 8y ago
  I don't know much about the matter. What moves would you like to see him make? What good moves do you think the parent overlooked?

itronitron 8y ago

interestingly, because the volume of crap is so large and homogenous it sort of prevents people from getting information overload, the internet is no longer surfable in the way that it once was

viburnum 8y ago

He has plenty of good moves, but he cares more about making money.

ggg9990 8y ago
If you’re asking him to shut down Facebook, you are asking him to relinquish an amount of power that maybe 5 people in history have walked away from.
- viburnum 8y ago
  If he wants to be a wealthy publisher of Nazi content, that's his choice.
- MBCook 8y ago
  They have policies against hate speech. They could attempt to enforce those in a sane/meaningful way. Instead, much like Twitter, they seem to go out of their way to find ways to not use their own policies in the extremely clear cut cases.
  - gremlinsinc 8y ago
    The issue is... I don't agree w/ nor support those who say the earth is flat or holocaust didn't happen. It insults my intelligence, but it's not necessarily hate speech to say it didn't happen. It's ignorant speech for sure. Hate speech would be to say 'jews deserved it', or 'x group deserved it', or 'I wish the holocaust really did happen'.. I've heard that kind of rhettoric on and off FB, and that should def. be removed. There's a difference between someone commenting, 'well, I don't believe that happened'...while everyone else is like, 'well you're a dumb fuck, w/e' and moves on. I think Zuck did the right thing, made the right call. By taking away the platform he only makes them angrier, loses power of the platform, by making them think they still have a voice (even if it's buried so deep on the newsfeed that you'd need Elon Musk to bore a hole to find it), you acquiesce and de-escalate their emotions about 'not being heard' .. rather than ban the content outright. Again threats, and real hate speech should be removed and policed, but some crazy shit should be just marginalized to the point it doesn't really matter.
    - MBCook 8y ago
      I agree about flat Earthers. It’s moronic but doesn’t esslly hurt anyone. I disagree about the holocaust.
      - gremlinsinc 8y ago
        I think there's a difference in denying an 'event' took place... and being blatantly racist, some people just really honestly believe that (because they're retarded or their parents were, and passed on that gene). There's levels. I'm sure denying the moon landing hurts those who were there... There are people who deny that Columbus killed millions, and enslaved millions more in the short time he was here. -- It's offensive, but not something you can convince them they're wrong on. I think if nobody SEES the post, does it really exist? I as user can see it so yay, FB didn't block me. While, I as another user, friend of first user cannot see it, so never happened... That's honestly the best policy probably, I mean it's also got to be something AI can train for, because they're not going to pay people to read and approve EVER comment or post on fb, that'd be insane. I don't understand how saying the holocaust didn't happen is considered threatening/hate speech per se, and not just mis-information. Again, I say this as a progressive, definitely against fascism here and Trump, but I also have Aspergers so have trouble sometimes 'feeling' the way others think I should feel about a subject, and logically it doesn't really elicit the same feeling as that Vice video, w/ the woman who didn't believe it happened, but wished it had - her wanting millions of jews dead is disgusting - more so, than just not believing it happened... I guess, I don't feel that someone else's belief in historical events is as bad as other speech. I think there needs to be a fine line, and I agree where Mark drew that.
        cmurf 8y ago
        If you believe people learn from history, or learn from mistakes, then you must recognize that any attempt to diminish, reduce, suppress, discredit history is not mere misinformation. It's planned deception with a purpose that not well intentioned. Perhaps innocently ignorant is "I've never heard of the holocaust, tell me more." Or even, "I've heard of the holocaust, but I have no concrete reasons to believe it happened, it seems incredible." Malevolent, willfully destructive to civil discourse, bordering on fighting words, is "The holocaust did not happen. People who claim it did are liars." But all of that is orthogonal to what Facebook's policy should be. No matter what they're going to run into trouble. The U.S. and E.U. have rather different ideas about the limits of free speech. And even greater differences exist around the world. And in that sense I think it doesn't matter what policy they go with as long as it's consistent, and the CEO doesn't say absurd things like holocaust deniers aren't intentionally getting it wrong, let alone try to give deniers a psychological evaluation. He needs to stick to policy decisions, not evaluate people's intent and end up sugar coating it.
- danaur 8y ago
  > If you’re asking him to shut down Facebook, you are asking him to relinquish an amount of power that maybe 5 people in history have walked away from. Tangent: who are some of the people you perceive walked away from a similar level of power?
  - ggg9990 8y ago
    Cincinnatus, Washington, de Klerk... probably a handful more
SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
He has good moves. And moves that would serve his interest well. Perfect example of doing good vs doing well. “Superman does good.”
kjeetgill 8y ago
I don't know much about the matter. What moves would you like to see him make? What good moves do you think the parent overlooked?