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The only thing to note there is the "according to Lord" part. While I have no reason to doubt him, it seems so counter-intuitive for the judge to make that dec

The only thing to note there is the "according to Lord" part. While I have no reason to doubt him, it seems so counter-intuitive for the judge to make that decision that we should probably get an additional source.

spathi_fwiffo 8y ago
Which is followed by "The original terms of service, according to RSI’s own records, make no mention of arbitration before February 2015". The author is making some confusing word choices.
- spyder 8y ago
  According to their website the ToS issued at 08 29, 2013, already contained the arbitration, and only the version issued at 10 10, 2012 is missing it. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
  - krageon 8y ago
    They can retroactively change anything on their website. Of course, the same goes for the other party.
    - Mayzie 8y ago
      Archive.org has a copy from the 2013 terms of service: https://web.archive.org/web/20131017050205/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos https://web.archive.org/web/20131017050205/https://robertssp... It has an arbitration clause. Also, are these statements legal in America? * "YOU UNDERSTAND AND HEREBY AGREE THAT YOU HEREBY WAIVE THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL." * "To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures" * "Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court." So waiving your right to the judicial system, waiving your right to enter into a class action suit, and enforcing a particular jurisdiction location? Seems very anti-consumer and not fair at all.

spathi_fwiffo 8y ago

Which is followed by "The original terms of service, according to RSI’s own records, make no mention of arbitration before February 2015". The author is making some confusing word choices.

spyder 8y ago
According to their website the ToS issued at 08 29, 2013, already contained the arbitration, and only the version issued at 10 10, 2012 is missing it. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
- krageon 8y ago
  They can retroactively change anything on their website. Of course, the same goes for the other party.
  - Mayzie 8y ago
    Archive.org has a copy from the 2013 terms of service: https://web.archive.org/web/20131017050205/https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos https://web.archive.org/web/20131017050205/https://robertssp... It has an arbitration clause. Also, are these statements legal in America? * "YOU UNDERSTAND AND HEREBY AGREE THAT YOU HEREBY WAIVE THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL." * "To the fullest extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures" * "Any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America. Any Dispute not subject to arbitration, or where no election to arbitrate has been made, shall be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction within the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America, and you and RSI agree to submit to the personal jurisdiction of that court." So waiving your right to the judicial system, waiving your right to enter into a class action suit, and enforcing a particular jurisdiction location? Seems very anti-consumer and not fair at all.