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Kinda similar: Investigating the Potential for Miscommunication Using Emoji https://grouplens.org/blog/investigating-the-potential-for-miscommunication-using-e

by bdz 8y ago

Kinda similar: Investigating the Potential for Miscommunication Using Emoji https://grouplens.org/blog/investigating-the-potential-for-miscommunication-using-emoji/ https://grouplens.org/blog/investigating-the-potential-for-m... Paper: http://grouplens.org/site-content/uploads/Emoji_Interpretation_Paper.pdf http://grouplens.org/site-content/uploads/Emoji_Interpretati... It's intersting because there is a huge difference between the simple emoji faces accross devices. The grinning face example is really good because the Apple and Twitter version doesn't look happy at all, like a different expression under the same emoji https://grouplens.org/site-content/uploads/GrinningFaceWSmilingEyes-768x154.png https://grouplens.org/site-content/uploads/GrinningFaceWSmil...

Tomte 8y ago
Oh yeah. I used to send an emoji that looked to me like grinning and my friend told me after months she was really feeling uncomfortable with me snarling all the time. I wish those emojis carried a very small caption. Also because I can't recognize what half of them are supposed to mean.
- ygra 8y ago
  I think Twitter has tooltips for them, which is nice because I also can't recognize most of them. If I use them at all, I restrict myself to a smiling face and that's it.
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- Cthulhu_ 8y ago
  The "crying with laughter" one is similar, some people only see the tears (they are rendered on relatively small screens after all).
  - talltimtom 8y ago
    That one has caused so much confusion amongst the older members of my family on Facebook. My aunt to this day still posts “crying with laughter” to posts about celebrities dying or natural disasters. We’ve told her it’s not a sad smiley, but I think she just can’t tell the two apart any more.
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  - breadAndWater 8y ago
    Also, the "crying with laughter" face, in practical use, comes across as absurdly over-eager to express inauthentic laughter. Most people just knee-jerk flood you to hell with those things, at the slightest hint of a joke. I'm tired of seeing that stupid, stupid cartoon face. I wince when I see it. It pains me. It's like getting stabbed in the gut for offering chewing gum to someone. I don't like to tell jokes anymore. I want to reply: Please stop laughing so hard. The joke I made was not that funny. I notice Facebook users have the worst sense of habitual knee-jerk emoji obligation. I think it's because they are restricted to expressing only five emotions. 1. Thumbs Up (like, but often mere acknowledgement) 2. Heart (love, but often off-topic) 3. Wow (horrified, shocked or amazed, but which?) 4. Cry (sad, but why?) 5. Mad (angry, but at who?) In most cases, this leaves them resorting to an ambiguous "Wow" for most non-thumbs-up reactions, leaving the reader to question if it's a good wow, or a bad wow. Because they've accepted ambiguity as fact when communicating with individual icons, they also lack a sense of volume. They've been trained to understand that CAPS LOCK is bad, but it will be years before emoji fatigue sets in. For this reason, I've mostly withdrawn from interacting with many people.
- yorwba 8y ago
  > I wish those emojis carried a very small caption. If you're using Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/emoji-to-english/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/emoji-to-engl...
  - Fnoord 8y ago
    Great for people who have difficulty understanding expressions such as children or people with autism. Frankly I don't understand emojis most of the time. Not in the least because there are so many. Call me nostalgic but where's the time when only a limited amount of smileys were used?
    - mchahn 8y ago
      > but where's the time when only a limited amount of smileys were used? I agree whole-heartedly but then I'm an old fart.
    - fenwick67 8y ago
      At least they're more decipherable than the more complex emoticons :3c
- astura 8y ago
  If I see an emoji I don't understand/recognize I copy it and paste it into Google.
- Tomte 8y ago
  Oh, and something hilarious happened back when I had a Windows phone. I sent "good night" with a bed emoji. The other party saw a hospital building with a red cross. And not only they! I saw it, as well! The picture changed. In the composing field it was one and in the message area another.
King-Aaron 8y ago
That's like the semi-sad face :-/ On most devices it renders out to a look of disappointment. But on androids, their little dude looks to have a smug grin, which is never what you want to convey with :-/
throwawayqdhd 8y ago
I like Mozilla's the most. It's most human-like and thus, easiest to understand
- mandelbulb 8y ago
  Really? For me it is, together with Emoji One and Twitter, part of the bottom three. It looks like an embarrassed smile. Twitter's version looks even more forced or mechanical than those from FB or Apple, and Emoji One's eyes give an impression of sadness (probably because the arches of the grinning eyes aren't horizontal). Imho, on a more 3D blob (2.5D or isometric) Google's version would be best. But as they are, Samsung offers the most convincingly, emotionally happy one, but it does not really fit the 'grinning' theme. So the HTC's example is probably best, especially in the usually small format, though it isn't the most artful one.
- wingerlang 8y ago
  It's the least "grinny" one though.
zaarn 8y ago
Microsofts looks like something pulled out of a slasher movie where the killer is a Joker-type trope.
- ygra 8y ago
  It's been changed in the meantime as well: https://emojipedia.org/microsoft/windows-10-april-2018-update/grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes/ https://emojipedia.org/microsoft/windows-10-april-2018-updat...
- vidarh 8y ago
  It instantly made me think of Bendy from Bendy and the Ink Machine [1] for me. Given that it's a horror game, I guess we got similar associations from it. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bendy+and+the+ink+machine&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fi1-games.softpedia-static.com%2Fscreenshots%2FBendy-and-the-Ink-Machine_7.jpg https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bendy+and+the+ink+machine&iax=imag...
koliber 8y ago
This carries over into the real world as well. Some people try really hard to show a toothy smile and they end up looking like the Apple or Facebook smiling emoji.
systoll 8y ago
The grinning face example is out of date now. https://emojipedia.org/grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes/ https://emojipedia.org/grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes/ Apple switched to a happy face in iOS 10, and Twitter switched at some point too. Given the timing, it might've been a direct response to this paper. Historically, this issue stems from it being an original DoCoMo emoji. https://d2jv9003bew7ag.cloudfront.net/uploads/Original-Emoji-Set-1.jpg https://d2jv9003bew7ag.cloudfront.net/uploads/Original-Emoji... My understanding is that when Apple was implementing these, read the bottom left graphic here as rectangular by choice. At 12x12, it's pretty ambiguous. Then Unicode got into the mix, called it a 'grinning face', and newer sets went in that direction.
- aidenn0 8y ago
  The that DoCoMo emoji is IMO unambiguously happy, being based off of the kaomoji: ^_^ While overscores can be used in both happy and sad or angry faces the use of carats in a sad/angry face kaomonji would be very unusual; see e.g. [1] 1: http://kaomoji.ru/en/ http://kaomoji.ru/en/
  - systoll 8y ago
    I agree that the sentiment probably shifted with Apple's design, but https://emojipedia.org/apple/iphone-os-2.2/smiling-face-with-smiling-eyes/ https://emojipedia.org/apple/iphone-os-2.2/smiling-face-with... stems from an emoji precisely matching ^_^.
hrygolis 8y ago
That piece and some of the comments here make me wonder if pure text emojis are the better design decision.
- foxtrottbravo 8y ago
  You mean, like Emoticons?
- reaperducer 8y ago
  @->--;--
Exorus18 8y ago
I experienced miscommunication with my SO, she was constantly using sleepy emoji as a sad/crying emoji: https://emojipedia.org/sleepy-face/ https://emojipedia.org/sleepy-face/
- drb91 8y ago
  Frankly I couldn’t have guessed that was a sleepy emoji if you paid me, or that it’s not a tear....
  - corysama 8y ago
    The snoring snot bubble is popular trope in Japan. It was featured in western cartoons in the days of Popeye and Tom&Jerry. But, it fell out of fashion in the West long ago.
- breadAndWater 8y ago
  That is definitely a sad, crying face. How is there no [ ZZZ ] talk balloon floating above, to indicate the obvious snoring?
  - js2 8y ago
    That's a different emoji. https://emojipedia.org/sleeping-face/ https://emojipedia.org/sleeping-face/

by bdz 8y ago

Tomte 8y ago

Oh yeah. I used to send an emoji that looked to me like grinning and my friend told me after months she was really feeling uncomfortable with me snarling all the time. I wish those emojis carried a very small caption. Also because I can't recognize what half of them are supposed to mean.

ygra 8y ago
I think Twitter has tooltips for them, which is nice because I also can't recognize most of them. If I use them at all, I restrict myself to a smiling face and that's it.
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Cthulhu_ 8y ago
The "crying with laughter" one is similar, some people only see the tears (they are rendered on relatively small screens after all).
- talltimtom 8y ago
  That one has caused so much confusion amongst the older members of my family on Facebook. My aunt to this day still posts “crying with laughter” to posts about celebrities dying or natural disasters. We’ve told her it’s not a sad smiley, but I think she just can’t tell the two apart any more.
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- breadAndWater 8y ago
  Also, the "crying with laughter" face, in practical use, comes across as absurdly over-eager to express inauthentic laughter. Most people just knee-jerk flood you to hell with those things, at the slightest hint of a joke. I'm tired of seeing that stupid, stupid cartoon face. I wince when I see it. It pains me. It's like getting stabbed in the gut for offering chewing gum to someone. I don't like to tell jokes anymore. I want to reply: Please stop laughing so hard. The joke I made was not that funny. I notice Facebook users have the worst sense of habitual knee-jerk emoji obligation. I think it's because they are restricted to expressing only five emotions. 1. Thumbs Up (like, but often mere acknowledgement) 2. Heart (love, but often off-topic) 3. Wow (horrified, shocked or amazed, but which?) 4. Cry (sad, but why?) 5. Mad (angry, but at who?) In most cases, this leaves them resorting to an ambiguous "Wow" for most non-thumbs-up reactions, leaving the reader to question if it's a good wow, or a bad wow. Because they've accepted ambiguity as fact when communicating with individual icons, they also lack a sense of volume. They've been trained to understand that CAPS LOCK is bad, but it will be years before emoji fatigue sets in. For this reason, I've mostly withdrawn from interacting with many people.
yorwba 8y ago
> I wish those emojis carried a very small caption. If you're using Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/emoji-to-english/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/emoji-to-engl...
- Fnoord 8y ago
  Great for people who have difficulty understanding expressions such as children or people with autism. Frankly I don't understand emojis most of the time. Not in the least because there are so many. Call me nostalgic but where's the time when only a limited amount of smileys were used?
  - mchahn 8y ago
    > but where's the time when only a limited amount of smileys were used? I agree whole-heartedly but then I'm an old fart.
  - fenwick67 8y ago
    At least they're more decipherable than the more complex emoticons :3c
astura 8y ago
If I see an emoji I don't understand/recognize I copy it and paste it into Google.
Tomte 8y ago
Oh, and something hilarious happened back when I had a Windows phone. I sent "good night" with a bed emoji. The other party saw a hospital building with a red cross. And not only they! I saw it, as well! The picture changed. In the composing field it was one and in the message area another.

King-Aaron 8y ago

That's like the semi-sad face :-/ On most devices it renders out to a look of disappointment. But on androids, their little dude looks to have a smug grin, which is never what you want to convey with :-/

throwawayqdhd 8y ago

I like Mozilla's the most. It's most human-like and thus, easiest to understand

mandelbulb 8y ago
Really? For me it is, together with Emoji One and Twitter, part of the bottom three. It looks like an embarrassed smile. Twitter's version looks even more forced or mechanical than those from FB or Apple, and Emoji One's eyes give an impression of sadness (probably because the arches of the grinning eyes aren't horizontal). Imho, on a more 3D blob (2.5D or isometric) Google's version would be best. But as they are, Samsung offers the most convincingly, emotionally happy one, but it does not really fit the 'grinning' theme. So the HTC's example is probably best, especially in the usually small format, though it isn't the most artful one.
wingerlang 8y ago
It's the least "grinny" one though.

zaarn 8y ago

Microsofts looks like something pulled out of a slasher movie where the killer is a Joker-type trope.

ygra 8y ago
It's been changed in the meantime as well: https://emojipedia.org/microsoft/windows-10-april-2018-update/grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes/ https://emojipedia.org/microsoft/windows-10-april-2018-updat...
vidarh 8y ago
It instantly made me think of Bendy from Bendy and the Ink Machine [1] for me. Given that it's a horror game, I guess we got similar associations from it. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bendy+and+the+ink+machine&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fi1-games.softpedia-static.com%2Fscreenshots%2FBendy-and-the-Ink-Machine_7.jpg https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bendy+and+the+ink+machine&iax=imag...

koliber 8y ago

This carries over into the real world as well. Some people try really hard to show a toothy smile and they end up looking like the Apple or Facebook smiling emoji.

systoll 8y ago

The grinning face example is out of date now. https://emojipedia.org/grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes/ https://emojipedia.org/grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes/ Apple switched to a happy face in iOS 10, and Twitter switched at some point too. Given the timing, it might've been a direct response to this paper. Historically, this issue stems from it being an original DoCoMo emoji. https://d2jv9003bew7ag.cloudfront.net/uploads/Original-Emoji-Set-1.jpg https://d2jv9003bew7ag.cloudfront.net/uploads/Original-Emoji... My understanding is that when Apple was implementing these, read the bottom left graphic here as rectangular by choice. At 12x12, it's pretty ambiguous. Then Unicode got into the mix, called it a 'grinning face', and newer sets went in that direction.

aidenn0 8y ago
The that DoCoMo emoji is IMO unambiguously happy, being based off of the kaomoji: ^_^ While overscores can be used in both happy and sad or angry faces the use of carats in a sad/angry face kaomonji would be very unusual; see e.g. [1] 1: http://kaomoji.ru/en/ http://kaomoji.ru/en/
- systoll 8y ago
  I agree that the sentiment probably shifted with Apple's design, but https://emojipedia.org/apple/iphone-os-2.2/smiling-face-with-smiling-eyes/ https://emojipedia.org/apple/iphone-os-2.2/smiling-face-with... stems from an emoji precisely matching ^_^.

hrygolis 8y ago

That piece and some of the comments here make me wonder if pure text emojis are the better design decision.

foxtrottbravo 8y ago
You mean, like Emoticons?
reaperducer 8y ago
@->--;--

Exorus18 8y ago

I experienced miscommunication with my SO, she was constantly using sleepy emoji as a sad/crying emoji: https://emojipedia.org/sleepy-face/ https://emojipedia.org/sleepy-face/

drb91 8y ago
Frankly I couldn’t have guessed that was a sleepy emoji if you paid me, or that it’s not a tear....
- corysama 8y ago
  The snoring snot bubble is popular trope in Japan. It was featured in western cartoons in the days of Popeye and Tom&Jerry. But, it fell out of fashion in the West long ago.
breadAndWater 8y ago
That is definitely a sad, crying face. How is there no [ ZZZ ] talk balloon floating above, to indicate the obvious snoring?
- js2 8y ago
  That's a different emoji. https://emojipedia.org/sleeping-face/ https://emojipedia.org/sleeping-face/