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It's encrypted using the T2 chip (with a key that can't be extracted) so I'm not sure what value getting a copy of the SSD would be. The 2016 MBP did not have t

It's encrypted using the T2 chip (with a key that can't be extracted) so I'm not sure what value getting a copy of the SSD would be. The 2016 MBP did not have this encryption.

userbinator 8y ago
with a key that can't be extracted I'm pretty sure it can, just that the methods are (currently) beyond the reach of DIYers. Besides, there's probably easier ways... like tapping into the decrypted data. Like any classic DRM scheme, if you have the key and the algorithm, you can get the content. That does not make it easy, but it can certainly be done with enough effort.
- jonknee 8y ago
  > I'm pretty sure it can, just that the methods are (currently) beyond the reach of DIYers. That would be very huge news worth many millions of dollars as it's the critical piece of iOS device security.
  - TillE 8y ago
    Haven't people extracted keys from TPM chips with electron microscopes? I don't know if the T2 is fundamentally different in some way which would render it immune to such analysis.
    - selectodude 8y ago
      >Haven't people extracted keys from TPM chips with electron microscopes? Once, with one brand, in 2010. And it took 9 months.
      - solarkraft 8y ago
        That sounds like much to me, with a 2018 mindset. Is it not pretty easy to read out a chip nowadays, even at low double digit nanometer levels?
  - userbinator 8y ago
    Something "worth many millions of dollars" will most certainly be kept very quiet by the repair industry, since it can provide recurring revenue (until someone else discovers and reports it to Apple) to an otherwise extremely repair-hostile ecosystem. Bug bounties are a one-time deal that otherwise gives no advantage to the reporter, but unlocking services are not. These people are certainly not looking for a pat on the back from Apple or wanting to make its devices more difficult to repair.
    - aneidon 8y ago
      You really think the repair industry is the one sitting on that vuln?
    - jonknee 8y ago
      Forget the repair industry, this would be NSA level interest. No one is going to repair your computer using the zero day of all zero days.
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It's encrypted using the T2 chip (with a key that can't be extracted) so I'm not sure what value getting a copy of the SSD would be. The 2016 MBP did not have this encryption.

userbinator 8y ago

with a key that can't be extracted I'm pretty sure it can, just that the methods are (currently) beyond the reach of DIYers. Besides, there's probably easier ways... like tapping into the decrypted data. Like any classic DRM scheme, if you have the key and the algorithm, you can get the content. That does not make it easy, but it can certainly be done with enough effort.

jonknee 8y ago
> I'm pretty sure it can, just that the methods are (currently) beyond the reach of DIYers. That would be very huge news worth many millions of dollars as it's the critical piece of iOS device security.
- TillE 8y ago
  Haven't people extracted keys from TPM chips with electron microscopes? I don't know if the T2 is fundamentally different in some way which would render it immune to such analysis.
  - selectodude 8y ago
    >Haven't people extracted keys from TPM chips with electron microscopes? Once, with one brand, in 2010. And it took 9 months.
    - solarkraft 8y ago
      That sounds like much to me, with a 2018 mindset. Is it not pretty easy to read out a chip nowadays, even at low double digit nanometer levels?
- userbinator 8y ago
  Something "worth many millions of dollars" will most certainly be kept very quiet by the repair industry, since it can provide recurring revenue (until someone else discovers and reports it to Apple) to an otherwise extremely repair-hostile ecosystem. Bug bounties are a one-time deal that otherwise gives no advantage to the reporter, but unlocking services are not. These people are certainly not looking for a pat on the back from Apple or wanting to make its devices more difficult to repair.
  - aneidon 8y ago
    You really think the repair industry is the one sitting on that vuln?
  - jonknee 8y ago
    Forget the repair industry, this would be NSA level interest. No one is going to repair your computer using the zero day of all zero days.
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