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Open source, privacy-enabled smartphone operating systems
- k_ 8y agoI wish people stopped messing around with scroll.. This website is a pain to navigate with javascript enabled and cannot be navigated at all with javascript disabled (overflow hidden, need to hack css too to make it bearable). To see such poor UX on the website of someone developing an OS is a red flag for me.
- drc0 8y agomany wordpress themes do that, go figure why.
- mahkoh 8y agohttps://www.linuxfoundation.org https://www.linuxfoundation.org is mostly unusable with a touchpad on linux on chromium because they are using one of those smooth scrolling scripts.
- arenaninja 8y agoEqually with select dropdowns. Everyone and their mother reinvents them while covering maybe 50% of edge cases that a <select> tag does out of the box I even have to do this to others as part of my latest project. I apologize, I have fought it and failed, and now I have no choice
- amelius 8y agoWe wouldn't have this problem if the <select> tag was easier to customize, and addressed the most common UI/UX issues that people (designers) have with it. Anyway, given that this is not the case, the designers should have chosen a well-maintained library of UI components.
- arenaninja 8y agoI agree, but given that it's such a reocurring problem, why is it not moving forward via the HTML5 living standard? We had this problem before with ES5 and while it was solved with jQuery, ES6 came along and solved a lot of these pain points. HTML doesn't seem to be moving in this direction (yet)
- codedokode 8y agoIs it that important? As a user I don't really care much how the select element looks. Standard one is totally fine for me. It allows to customize its size and colors and that is more than enough.
- kragniz 8y agoCurrently displaying "Error establishing a database connection".
- milankragujevic 8y agoFrome google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fe.foundation%2F&oq=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fe.foundation%2F&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.944j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps...
- milankragujevic 8y agoNot trying to be a buzzkill, but how (from what I can see from the Google cache), is this different than LineageOS without Google Apps? Or the recently mentioned CopperheadOS which already has ROMs available and supports commercially available devices..? https://copperhead.co/android/ https://copperhead.co/android/
- busterarm 8y agoCopperhead is dead. See recent drama.
- A2017U1 8y agoFor reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/copperheados https://www.reddit.com/r/copperheados Purism is next in line. I really hope they succeed but the track record for these things is amazingly bad, the forces they are up against are not small.
- cat199 8y ago> I really hope they succeed but the track record for these things is amazingly bad, the forces they are up against are not small. - Linux Fan, 1993
- A2017U1 8y agoQuite a distinction between hardware and software development. Apart from commercial competitors, I'd imagine a few natsec types would probably try to rustle feathers, they certainly have past form in this field.
- bitL 8y agoWe need an open, PC-like phone standard? So far we have closed SoCs everywhere that end up as landfill every 1-2 years without any other possible use. With <5nm chips it should be trivial to have open SoCs in phone factors.
- lovelearning 8y agoWhy did this project choose such an unsearchable name and cripple its own acceptability? Can't search for /e/, can't search for 'e', 'e os' refers to some entirely different OS...
- walterbell 8y agoSearch for "eelo".
- flatfilefan 8y ago/e/ is what happens when you let hackers do the branding.
- flatfilefan 8y agoI like how this comment gets negative points in this thread but totally positive as a first level comment. Did you guys expect a different answer? I’m sorry to disappoint you but information is not what you already know. It’s the opposite, actually.
- hutzlibu 8y agoOr maybe some people don't like duplicates?
- flatfilefan 8y agoI did not think of that. Yes, we should not underestimate the fellow combinators in their ability to connect the dots ;-)
- ionised 8y agoOr maybe you should stop posting the same comment multiple times.
- dang 8y agoThis is off-topic and a violation of the site guidelines. Please don't do that either. It's also a meaningless observation, btw, since the first-order bit of such things is randomness.
- walterbell 8y agoThis article has a good summary, http://techpp.com/2018/06/28/eelo-profile-google-free-android/amp/ http://techpp.com/2018/06/28/eelo-profile-google-free-androi... "Duval’s team made use of LineageOS ... [which] doesn’t ship with any Google apps ... To counter that, Eelo will come preloaded with a handful of services you would need out of the box such as an email client, a productivity suite for accessing documents, spreadsheets, a search engine that won’t track its users, and more. The one application which is being a bottleneck for Eelo’s potential success is navigation ... Eelo will have a repository of both open-source as well as other Android apps. To ensure users don’t install one of the latter and ruin the purpose of using a privacy-focused operating system, each app in Eelo’s store will have a security score. Through that users can be more informed about how well a particular app treats personal data and based on that, decide whether they’d want to install it."
- zeta0134 8y agoNavigation is really a bear... It's easily Google's killer product, and extremely difficult for the open source community to replicate in any meaningful sense just due to the difficulty in acquiring data; we lack the necessary resources. I'm not sure how to solve that properly.
- Tharkun 8y agoNavigation? Really? I don't drive, so maybe I'm somewhat atypical in that sense, but on those rare occasions when I do use my phone to navigate, I find Osmand(+) to be extremely useful.
- jraph 8y agoI can't really say since I don't use google maps so much but I expect search to be better than in osmand (while online).
- roryisok 8y agoI drive but I never use navigation as the handful of times I have I've found it distracting and it's led me astray a couple of times. I prefer to just look at a map. Often that nap is on the phone, but I don't need it to tell me where I am or where to go
- ekianjo 8y ago> Error establishing a database connection That sums up the situation pretty well.
- jasonkostempski 8y agoThe penultimate privacy solution.
- JshWright 8y agoWhat's the ultimate one...?
- striking 8y agoNot running a site at all.
- pandasun 8y agoabout:blank
- jasonkostempski 8y agoDeath.
- m712 8y agoEven the database has given up on libre smartphones.
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- pandasun 8y agoSite seems down, here's the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20180714103142/https://e.foundation/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180714103142/https://e.foundat... And a non-scroll hijack full page screenshot: https://my.mixtape.moe/nrdfgf.jpg https://my.mixtape.moe/nrdfgf.jpg
- flatfilefan 8y ago/e/ is what happens when you let hackers do the branding.
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- edbaskerville 8y agoAt first I thought this was a too-subtle satire of other projects that failed to get traction. But I guess this is an actual project with branding that almost feels like satire?
- Apocryphon 8y agoAt least their mockup of a fantasy smartphone OS looks bright and attractive, if highly derivative of iOS.
- jasonvorhe 8y ago> data slavery Tab closed.
- ryanx435 8y agoHow do you pronounce /e/? "Slashy-slash"?
- ThinkingGuy 8y agoThat's the first pronunciation that came to my mind.
- thomastjeffery 8y agoleany?
- jhoh 8y agoHow is this better/different from https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/ ?
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoClarification request: Is this really a new privacy-enabled operating system, or is it yet another attempt to convert Android into a privacy-enabled operating system?
- alexnewman 8y agoMany have tried and failed. I salute the attempt but I would take a bet against it. I have tried to get access to high end radios that don't have strange carrier modes and haven't found them. A usb modem goes a long way in terms of isolating things but the new tricks are way smarter than the old.
- walterbell 8y agoCould you recommend a known-good device, USB modem and OS version combo?
- colemannugent 8y agoIf anyone from this project is reading this: please just contribute to the upstream projects your are building off of. >We build desirable, open source, privacy-enabled smartphone operating systems. No, the LineageOS team builds them, then you rebrand them. If you want to actually make a difference, contribute your changes directly to the LineageOS trees. Device support is paramount for custom ROMs and LineageOS already has an amazing amount of devices. All this will do is fragment the ecosystem. >default email client (forked from K9-mail) Please no. Just contribute to K9 directly. I get that you want to brand it to fit with your whole scheme, but you have the ability to actually improve the open source Android ecosystem. >application repository: an independent alternative place where you will be able to choose from thousands of applications, including all well-known applications FDroid. You're describing FDroid. Again, there is a good application out their already, why would you make your own? Oh, it's so you can add "an original mechanism for users to score applications". Why can't you add that to FDroid and help everyone out? My main criticism boils down to this: why reinvent the wheel?
- roryisok 8y agoWell put. Lately it feels like "open source" it's used more often as a buzz word to use when trying to market a product rather than a philosophy to be followed.
- Fnoord 8y ago> No, the LineageOS team builds them, then you rebrand them. If you want to actually make a difference, contribute your changes directly to the LineageOS trees. Device support is paramount for custom ROMs and LineageOS already has an amazing amount of devices. All this will do is fragment the ecosystem. The privacy orientation of LineageOS only goes so far. Yes, you can opt for Opengapps (that name...) or run your Android device without it but then you're stuck with F-Droid. LineageOS does not include microG; if you want LOS+microG you need that fork [1] > Please no. Just contribute to K9 directly. I get that you want to brand it to fit with your whole scheme, but you have the ability to actually improve the open source Android ecosystem. pEp is also a K-9 fork, with material design and opportunistic encryption. Not that I disagree w/your points though. This unnecessary fragmentation of forks is harmful. Librem 5 and Sailfish are two interesting ecosystems which are unique though. [1] https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/ [2] https://www.pep.security/ https://www.pep.security/
- iamleppert 8y agoFirst thoughts: the branding looks like it came out of a PC Magazine from 1995. Also I’m put off with the constant donation requests and all I’ve seen thus far is a bad web site. Release something first, anything, then ask for money and fire your graphics designer and whoever is doing ya’ll marketing.
- yontherubicon 8y ago/e/, the phone for people who want to hide their ecchi, but let people know that they're into 2d. If you don't know, /e/ is 4chan's ecchi board. Ecchi is softcore japanese cartoon porn.
- Tepix 8y agoSo, here's a project that wants to 100% focus on privacy (according to their crowdfunding campaign). The first task they start with? Write a new launcher, of course!