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I think the accusation was against the developers who caused the rise in popularity (i.e. the users), not the developers who created the technologies (i.e. the

by mmt 8y ago

I think the accusation was against the developers who caused the rise in popularity (i.e. the users), not the developers who created the technologies (i.e. the authors). In that light, it might be best to exclude BigTable, since it's only available publically as a service.

threeseed 8y ago
Facebook, Yahoo, Google etc built these databases to use not as coding exercises. So are they lazy and drinking the kool aid for not relying on SQL databases instead of building their own ? Or maybe SQL isn't perfect for every use case and other developers should stop arrogantly belittling those that choose to architect their own systems a particular way.
- stephenr 8y ago
  I'd say that 99.9% of organisations using any database technology, don't have the scaling problems of Google, Yahoo, Facebook or Apple. They objectively can't be "drinking the koolaid" or cargoculting something, because they've specifically created their own solutions, to solve their own problems. I specifically didn't say SQL is perfect - I said that they're very popular for the wrong reasons, and often are used in situations that a relational database would be a better solution.
  - threeseed 8y ago
    So it's okay for developers to build their own database for their specific use case. But it's not okay for developers to use a database for their specific use case. Makes sense.
    - orwin 8y ago
      This is not what he said. He basically said that in many cases, some developpers pushed something like mongo, ES or cassandra in their project or even company when a small sqlite or an effective postgressql were much more appropriate. Specific databases solve specific problems. In my current company, for log storage and analysis, InfluxDB was our solution after testing both ES and postgress, but we did compare all the products, and we still do as we expand. In my previous company, the main database in the product was Zope. I agree that mongoDB may be better in some use case, but i strongly doubt that most company are running it because it's the most appropriate product.
- mmt 8y ago
  Again, the accusation isn't against the builders, but against the popularizers (subsquent users). To stretch the kool aid metaphor, they're the ones mixing the kool aid, not drinking it.

by mmt 8y ago

threeseed 8y ago

Facebook, Yahoo, Google etc built these databases to use not as coding exercises. So are they lazy and drinking the kool aid for not relying on SQL databases instead of building their own ? Or maybe SQL isn't perfect for every use case and other developers should stop arrogantly belittling those that choose to architect their own systems a particular way.

stephenr 8y ago
I'd say that 99.9% of organisations using any database technology, don't have the scaling problems of Google, Yahoo, Facebook or Apple. They objectively can't be "drinking the koolaid" or cargoculting something, because they've specifically created their own solutions, to solve their own problems. I specifically didn't say SQL is perfect - I said that they're very popular for the wrong reasons, and often are used in situations that a relational database would be a better solution.
- threeseed 8y ago
  So it's okay for developers to build their own database for their specific use case. But it's not okay for developers to use a database for their specific use case. Makes sense.
  - orwin 8y ago
    This is not what he said. He basically said that in many cases, some developpers pushed something like mongo, ES or cassandra in their project or even company when a small sqlite or an effective postgressql were much more appropriate. Specific databases solve specific problems. In my current company, for log storage and analysis, InfluxDB was our solution after testing both ES and postgress, but we did compare all the products, and we still do as we expand. In my previous company, the main database in the product was Zope. I agree that mongoDB may be better in some use case, but i strongly doubt that most company are running it because it's the most appropriate product.
mmt 8y ago
Again, the accusation isn't against the builders, but against the popularizers (subsquent users). To stretch the kool aid metaphor, they're the ones mixing the kool aid, not drinking it.