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Aren't there plenty of games that don't follow those pas patterns? I played PS4 God of War. It was amazing and had none of those features.

themagician 8y ago
There are some. God of War, BotW, etc. but they are few and far between and there are entire types of games that don’t even exist anymore or get developed.
- sien 8y ago
  What genres don't get developed anymore?
  - themagician 8y ago
    RTS. Used to be a very competitor genre. C&C, AoE, WC… every studio had an RTS or one in the works. Now there is only SCII left. I remember playing games of Red Alert and Total Annihilation they would last all day. Fuck, somone port Red Alert to the Switch pls. MMORPGs. They get developed now, I guess, but it’s all pay to win garbage. It’s not even the same genre IMO. Space/tech simulators. We used to have X-Wing, Descent, Freespace, Mechwarrior, Fighter Ace, etc. There used to be an entire SECTION in stores that contained joysticks of all different kinds. Now we just have train simulator with garbage DLC skins. Realistic, tactical, team-based FPS games. Rainbow Six, America’s Army, etc. The “one shot” kind of FPS where you didn’t just jump around like a bullet sponge. Steam has been GREAT for small indie games, platformers, and new concepts like KSP. But we’ve also lost a lot as the major studios have all converged towards mass market games.
    - headstorm 8y ago
      One crossplatform MMORPG in development, not pay to win, is Project Gorgon.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      Yup. I miss good RTS and spacefighter simulators. With the latter, I think FreeSpace 2 with its open-source community-driven remaster is still the best spacefighter sim available today. And it was also story-rich - which is something I miss these days too. Somewhat related, I spent an ungodly amount of time recently playing Subnautica, and this reminds me that the underwater world has been pretty much forgotten by both games and sci-fi literature/movies. What was the last underwater game I played before Subnautica? Ah, Submarine Titans. A quite fun and beautiful (for that time) RTS. From 18 years ago.
    - sien 8y ago
      That's true. I played through X-Wing Alliance last year. It seems weird that they haven't even tried just updating the graphics and re-releasing them. Surely there would be a market. True about Flight Sims too. That's dried right up. It's surprising about RTS games, you'd think that's pretty doable for a fairly small team.
    - krapp 8y ago
      I think Jim Sterling mentioned once that the only genres studios care about now are Candy Crush clones and COD clones. Although now it may be Clash of Clans and MOBAs. I don't know. It's hyperbole but it also seems to be true enough - only a few bandwagon genres seem to get published nowadays. If you happen to like strategy games or action platformers or bullet hell or metroidvania or anything but whatever's hot this year, well, you're SOL outside of indie development and the occasional "spiritual successor."
    - mrguyorama 8y ago
      Space: Elite dangerous is great, and is not alone. That genre is especially popular with mid-level indie groups Realistic team based FPS: There's ARMA 3 for your heavy duty liking, and Squad is incredible. I believe insurgency is also slightly realistic
  - picsao 8y ago
    All games that don't have a devs vs user-base monetization mindset. In the end all games become what management considers a good game in its shark eats shark, one up in manipulation - world. Then there is the fact that a inferior aiming tool (game pad) became the Togo for most modern shooters. Its feels like a product who's producer mastered the complete mental manipulation of its user-base ages ago. Suddenly all your interests align every time and you wake up feeling used and abused while distinctly remembering having a different opinion before the good times. Gaming might just be ahead of the dystopia curve here. No wonder Yuri-industries pushes the narrative of the strong, self-controlled consumer. You are entering the town of Rantsend.
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- greggman 8y ago
  I certainly agree that the money (publishers, funding) is going to likely chase what's making money. Games that are free with in app purchased are making way more money than games that aren't. I don't know if Fornite has any scammy and/or addictive qualities. My understand is it does not and is making the most money of any game ever. Around 10 million per day at the moment. So yes, the funding will probably go to those types of games more than the GoW, BotW type of games.
- CM30 8y ago
  Wouldn't say they're few and far between. I mean, the current Nintendo Switch lineup is about 80% games that don't rely on pay to win mechanics, as are many games on other systems (especially indie titles).
  - chii 8y ago
    The ratio of good games have dropped. I'm sure there are similar numbers, but the amount of crap has increased, esp. the mobile market. Good games in the mobile market is far and few between.
    - beokop 8y ago
      The ratio of good games has dropped but that’s because the market is a lot larger now. You can still fill all your free time playing “good” games and completely ignore the rest of the market.
    - earenndil 8y ago
      I daresay there are fewer than 20 mobile games that aren't ports from other platforms but are still good and high quality in their own right. There are plenty of decent ones that don't engage in scummy behaviour, sure, but I wouldn't even consider playing them on other platforms where there are much more complex, interesting, and immersive games.

themagician 8y ago

There are some. God of War, BotW, etc. but they are few and far between and there are entire types of games that don’t even exist anymore or get developed.

sien 8y ago
What genres don't get developed anymore?
- themagician 8y ago
  RTS. Used to be a very competitor genre. C&C, AoE, WC… every studio had an RTS or one in the works. Now there is only SCII left. I remember playing games of Red Alert and Total Annihilation they would last all day. Fuck, somone port Red Alert to the Switch pls. MMORPGs. They get developed now, I guess, but it’s all pay to win garbage. It’s not even the same genre IMO. Space/tech simulators. We used to have X-Wing, Descent, Freespace, Mechwarrior, Fighter Ace, etc. There used to be an entire SECTION in stores that contained joysticks of all different kinds. Now we just have train simulator with garbage DLC skins. Realistic, tactical, team-based FPS games. Rainbow Six, America’s Army, etc. The “one shot” kind of FPS where you didn’t just jump around like a bullet sponge. Steam has been GREAT for small indie games, platformers, and new concepts like KSP. But we’ve also lost a lot as the major studios have all converged towards mass market games.
  - headstorm 8y ago
    One crossplatform MMORPG in development, not pay to win, is Project Gorgon.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    Yup. I miss good RTS and spacefighter simulators. With the latter, I think FreeSpace 2 with its open-source community-driven remaster is still the best spacefighter sim available today. And it was also story-rich - which is something I miss these days too. Somewhat related, I spent an ungodly amount of time recently playing Subnautica, and this reminds me that the underwater world has been pretty much forgotten by both games and sci-fi literature/movies. What was the last underwater game I played before Subnautica? Ah, Submarine Titans. A quite fun and beautiful (for that time) RTS. From 18 years ago.
  - sien 8y ago
    That's true. I played through X-Wing Alliance last year. It seems weird that they haven't even tried just updating the graphics and re-releasing them. Surely there would be a market. True about Flight Sims too. That's dried right up. It's surprising about RTS games, you'd think that's pretty doable for a fairly small team.
  - krapp 8y ago
    I think Jim Sterling mentioned once that the only genres studios care about now are Candy Crush clones and COD clones. Although now it may be Clash of Clans and MOBAs. I don't know. It's hyperbole but it also seems to be true enough - only a few bandwagon genres seem to get published nowadays. If you happen to like strategy games or action platformers or bullet hell or metroidvania or anything but whatever's hot this year, well, you're SOL outside of indie development and the occasional "spiritual successor."
  - mrguyorama 8y ago
    Space: Elite dangerous is great, and is not alone. That genre is especially popular with mid-level indie groups Realistic team based FPS: There's ARMA 3 for your heavy duty liking, and Squad is incredible. I believe insurgency is also slightly realistic
- picsao 8y ago
  All games that don't have a devs vs user-base monetization mindset. In the end all games become what management considers a good game in its shark eats shark, one up in manipulation - world. Then there is the fact that a inferior aiming tool (game pad) became the Togo for most modern shooters. Its feels like a product who's producer mastered the complete mental manipulation of its user-base ages ago. Suddenly all your interests align every time and you wake up feeling used and abused while distinctly remembering having a different opinion before the good times. Gaming might just be ahead of the dystopia curve here. No wonder Yuri-industries pushes the narrative of the strong, self-controlled consumer. You are entering the town of Rantsend.
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greggman 8y ago
I certainly agree that the money (publishers, funding) is going to likely chase what's making money. Games that are free with in app purchased are making way more money than games that aren't. I don't know if Fornite has any scammy and/or addictive qualities. My understand is it does not and is making the most money of any game ever. Around 10 million per day at the moment. So yes, the funding will probably go to those types of games more than the GoW, BotW type of games.
CM30 8y ago
Wouldn't say they're few and far between. I mean, the current Nintendo Switch lineup is about 80% games that don't rely on pay to win mechanics, as are many games on other systems (especially indie titles).
- chii 8y ago
  The ratio of good games have dropped. I'm sure there are similar numbers, but the amount of crap has increased, esp. the mobile market. Good games in the mobile market is far and few between.
  - beokop 8y ago
    The ratio of good games has dropped but that’s because the market is a lot larger now. You can still fill all your free time playing “good” games and completely ignore the rest of the market.
  - earenndil 8y ago
    I daresay there are fewer than 20 mobile games that aren't ports from other platforms but are still good and high quality in their own right. There are plenty of decent ones that don't engage in scummy behaviour, sure, but I wouldn't even consider playing them on other platforms where there are much more complex, interesting, and immersive games.