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And what did you do to help? He was asked if he could do anything and tried.

dekhn 8y ago
I didn't do anything to help- I don't think saving 12 people in a Thailand cave means a lot, globally speaking. Why do you say he was asked to do something? He offered to help. More realistically, however, he should have chosen to stay out of the way- he didn't get his device to the site until the rescue operation was already half completed. It wouldn't have worked anyway- it wasn't fit for the purpose. Getting a bunch of PR for somethign that wasn't really asked for and doesn't work seems pointless attention getting.
- the_spacebyte 8y ago
  Here https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1015105500105412610 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1015105500105412610 Yes it was not an official call for help, but someone asked. He even acknowledged that experts were already on the field, and his first reaction was to just send goods there before advancing with engineering ideas. Following your idea why were there so many civilian divers? Why not let the Thai military do the job? That's just PR. Those attention-seeking bastards. The guy likes solving problems and has a good team to do it as well, he did it on is own dime, so why all the fuss? "I didn't do anything to help- I don't think saving 12 people in a Thailand cave means a lot, globally speaking." yes that's the thing you're just a neckbeard who cares shit about others and feels smug about pointing fingers on the internet. Who cares if its Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Jon Doe, if they have the resources and will, why shouldn't they try to help?
  - nAwYz 8y ago
    The difference between the divers and Musk is that the divers did it without announcing their plans on Twitter. They just when there and helped. I think it's good that Musk tried to help, but the publicity he got with it makes me question his motivations. There is also no need for personal attacks
    - the_spacebyte 8y ago
      "think it's good that Musk tried to help, but the publicity he got..." If he got all that publicity, then hate the newspapers who kept giving it to him, not the guy who was just happy to help. He probably kept tweeting because that's where he first was "contacted" about the subject and had some cool photos and videos to show.
    - sabertoothed 8y ago
      He was asked to help. https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856 https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856
      - compcoffee 8y ago
        Is that the official Thai government, or some random person on Twitter? Just wondering. Have you looked at Tweets directed at him? People ask him for all kinds of things.
        sabertoothed 8y ago
        How does it matter who the first person to ask for help is? The later stages were coordinated with the local Thai rescue team. As proven by email exchange Elon published.
  - compcoffee 8y ago
    >yes that's the thing you're just a neckbeard who cares shit about others and feels smug about pointing fingers on the internet Not a hint of irony, huh? There it is, the crazy Musk fans going full out ad-hominem, just like they did on the BI journalist. Careful OP, these people are nuts.
    - the_spacebyte 8y ago
      Nop, not because of Elon Musk per se. I would have lost my judgment and go "ad-hominem" if it was another person as well. I just hate the argument "He's just helping for PR, while I seat my ass doing nothing" You conveniently cut short my phrase, when quoting, just to push the argument that I'm a Musk fanboy...
      - dekhn 8y ago
        So, this is the second time you've said I don't do anything. There is no reason to be rude. My work is in scientific reesarch, and I've worked on projects that made significant improvements to drug discovery, possibly saving millions of lives.
        the_spacebyte 8y ago
        "My work is in scientific reesarch..." Good for you, but that wasn't what I meant. "Do nothing" in regards with the current situation, not in general.
        dekhn 8y ago
        I said above I didn't think this was a situation where anybody should do anything. It's 12 people in a cave. In the global context, that's noise. this is just classic news turning minor events into global news.
    - dang 8y ago
      Would you please stop posting obsessively about Musk? You're hardly the only one doing it, but you've been doing virtually nothing else. Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and we ban them, so please don't use the site this way. These pro-and-anti-Musk flamewars are extremely low-quality discussion. You guys might as well be bickering about Spider-Man.
  - dekhn 8y ago
    The divers were highly qualified in ways the Thai military was not. That's why they were there. BTW, I'm not a neckbeard since I shaved this morning, but really, if you resort to attacks like that, it makes you look like a jerk
    - the_spacebyte 8y ago
      And Musk and his team (and I believe many others) are qualified enough to present other, engineering, alternatives parallel to the main one. Why shouldn't they? Why is that seen as attention-grabbing?
- astine 8y ago
  "Why do you say he was asked to do something?" The question was put to him by random people on Twitter, not by the Thai government. His initial response that he thought the Thai government had it in hand.
- codeulike 8y ago
  Tweet from Elon Musk in response to BBC article: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 It shows correspondance with one of the dive team, urging Musk to continue with the sub. Other teams from other organisations were also working on similar things: https://twitter.com/Jiradett/status/1016690284619599873 https://twitter.com/Jiradett/status/1016690284619599873
  - dekhn 8y ago
    wow, he really is a jerk on twitter.
    - sabertoothed 8y ago
      Why? I found his answer appropriate.
      - kadenshep 8y ago
        You think it's okay to debase the chief of the rescue operation, ignore the advice he took from multiple teams, and cherry pick a personal email correspondence with one guy that basically just says "keep trying" just so Musk can dance around, yet again, people pointing out a potential PR stunt? I don't know what level of social ineptness is required to ignore not only the blatant insult against the chief, but Musk's presumably unintentional insult to the rest of the team that informed the chief what they thought about Musk's idea to carry a 300lb tube through volatile currents in a tight, murky cave system. Talk about domain specialization.
        dang 8y ago
        This flamewar was ridiculous all around, but your account stands out as among the worst that made it so bad. This is the kind of thing HN exists to avoid, not perpetuate, so would you please not use HN this way in the future? As I posted elsewhere, all this angry arguing about Musk, pro or con, is as meaningful as angry arguing about Spider-Man. Since you're on the con side, I'll add that all you're doing by venting like this is feeding the very PR you deplore, by giving it your attention and attracting others into doing the same. Go for it if that's what you want—but please not here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I didn't do anything to help- I don't think saving 12 people in a Thailand cave means a lot, globally speaking. Why do you say he was asked to do something? He offered to help. More realistically, however, he should have chosen to stay out of the way- he didn't get his device to the site until the rescue operation was already half completed. It wouldn't have worked anyway- it wasn't fit for the purpose. Getting a bunch of PR for somethign that wasn't really asked for and doesn't work seems pointless attention getting.

the_spacebyte 8y ago
Here https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1015105500105412610 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1015105500105412610 Yes it was not an official call for help, but someone asked. He even acknowledged that experts were already on the field, and his first reaction was to just send goods there before advancing with engineering ideas. Following your idea why were there so many civilian divers? Why not let the Thai military do the job? That's just PR. Those attention-seeking bastards. The guy likes solving problems and has a good team to do it as well, he did it on is own dime, so why all the fuss? "I didn't do anything to help- I don't think saving 12 people in a Thailand cave means a lot, globally speaking." yes that's the thing you're just a neckbeard who cares shit about others and feels smug about pointing fingers on the internet. Who cares if its Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Jon Doe, if they have the resources and will, why shouldn't they try to help?
- nAwYz 8y ago
  The difference between the divers and Musk is that the divers did it without announcing their plans on Twitter. They just when there and helped. I think it's good that Musk tried to help, but the publicity he got with it makes me question his motivations. There is also no need for personal attacks
  - the_spacebyte 8y ago
    "think it's good that Musk tried to help, but the publicity he got..." If he got all that publicity, then hate the newspapers who kept giving it to him, not the guy who was just happy to help. He probably kept tweeting because that's where he first was "contacted" about the subject and had some cool photos and videos to show.
  - sabertoothed 8y ago
    He was asked to help. https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856 https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856
    - compcoffee 8y ago
      Is that the official Thai government, or some random person on Twitter? Just wondering. Have you looked at Tweets directed at him? People ask him for all kinds of things.
      - sabertoothed 8y ago
        How does it matter who the first person to ask for help is? The later stages were coordinated with the local Thai rescue team. As proven by email exchange Elon published.
- compcoffee 8y ago
  >yes that's the thing you're just a neckbeard who cares shit about others and feels smug about pointing fingers on the internet Not a hint of irony, huh? There it is, the crazy Musk fans going full out ad-hominem, just like they did on the BI journalist. Careful OP, these people are nuts.
  - the_spacebyte 8y ago
    Nop, not because of Elon Musk per se. I would have lost my judgment and go "ad-hominem" if it was another person as well. I just hate the argument "He's just helping for PR, while I seat my ass doing nothing" You conveniently cut short my phrase, when quoting, just to push the argument that I'm a Musk fanboy...
    - dekhn 8y ago
      So, this is the second time you've said I don't do anything. There is no reason to be rude. My work is in scientific reesarch, and I've worked on projects that made significant improvements to drug discovery, possibly saving millions of lives.
      - the_spacebyte 8y ago
        "My work is in scientific reesarch..." Good for you, but that wasn't what I meant. "Do nothing" in regards with the current situation, not in general.
        dekhn 8y ago
        I said above I didn't think this was a situation where anybody should do anything. It's 12 people in a cave. In the global context, that's noise. this is just classic news turning minor events into global news.
  - dang 8y ago
    Would you please stop posting obsessively about Musk? You're hardly the only one doing it, but you've been doing virtually nothing else. Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and we ban them, so please don't use the site this way. These pro-and-anti-Musk flamewars are extremely low-quality discussion. You guys might as well be bickering about Spider-Man.
- dekhn 8y ago
  The divers were highly qualified in ways the Thai military was not. That's why they were there. BTW, I'm not a neckbeard since I shaved this morning, but really, if you resort to attacks like that, it makes you look like a jerk
  - the_spacebyte 8y ago
    And Musk and his team (and I believe many others) are qualified enough to present other, engineering, alternatives parallel to the main one. Why shouldn't they? Why is that seen as attention-grabbing?
astine 8y ago
"Why do you say he was asked to do something?" The question was put to him by random people on Twitter, not by the Thai government. His initial response that he thought the Thai government had it in hand.
codeulike 8y ago
Tweet from Elon Musk in response to BBC article: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 It shows correspondance with one of the dive team, urging Musk to continue with the sub. Other teams from other organisations were also working on similar things: https://twitter.com/Jiradett/status/1016690284619599873 https://twitter.com/Jiradett/status/1016690284619599873
- dekhn 8y ago
  wow, he really is a jerk on twitter.
  - sabertoothed 8y ago
    Why? I found his answer appropriate.
    - kadenshep 8y ago
      You think it's okay to debase the chief of the rescue operation, ignore the advice he took from multiple teams, and cherry pick a personal email correspondence with one guy that basically just says "keep trying" just so Musk can dance around, yet again, people pointing out a potential PR stunt? I don't know what level of social ineptness is required to ignore not only the blatant insult against the chief, but Musk's presumably unintentional insult to the rest of the team that informed the chief what they thought about Musk's idea to carry a 300lb tube through volatile currents in a tight, murky cave system. Talk about domain specialization.
      - dang 8y ago
        This flamewar was ridiculous all around, but your account stands out as among the worst that made it so bad. This is the kind of thing HN exists to avoid, not perpetuate, so would you please not use HN this way in the future? As I posted elsewhere, all this angry arguing about Musk, pro or con, is as meaningful as angry arguing about Spider-Man. Since you're on the con side, I'll add that all you're doing by venting like this is feeding the very PR you deplore, by giving it your attention and attracting others into doing the same. Go for it if that's what you want—but please not here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html