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I was at a deep learning conference recently. The topic of how AI can improve healthcare came up. One panelist said that a startup they were working with want

I was at a deep learning conference recently. The topic of how AI can improve healthcare came up. One panelist said that a startup they were working with wants to help doctors use AI to use NLP to send claims to insurance companies in a way that won't be rejected. Another panelist said that he was working with another startup that wants to use AI and NLP to help insurance companies reject claims. I think in the future we'll see their AI fighting against our AI in an arms race similar to the spam wars. The one with the most computing power and biggest dataset will win and humans will be at their mercy.

jahabrewer 8y ago
> One panelist said that a startup they were working with wants to help doctors use AI to use NLP to send claims to insurance companies in a way that won't be rejected. Another panelist said that he was working with another startup that wants to use AI and NLP to help insurance companies reject claims. Sounds like GAN in meatspace.
- vokep 8y ago
  Yep, They compete endlessly, while we enjoy hyper-accurate decisions on these things, leading to greater efficiency of both.
  - bigiain 8y ago
    Yes. But quite possibly "greater efficiency" according to a fitness function that's not accurately mapped onto "keeping humans alive"... I wonder if this'll end up in an equivalent state to the "tank detection neural net" which learned with 100% accuracy that the researchers/trainers had always taken pictures of tanks on cloudy days and pictures without tanks on sunny days? ( https://www.jefftk.com/p/detecting-tanks https://www.jefftk.com/p/detecting-tanks ) Who'd bet against the doctor/insurer neural net training ending up approving all procedures where, say, the doctor ends up with a kickback from a drug company - instead of optimising for maximum human health benefit?
    - aoeuid 8y ago
      Note that that story is apocryphal: https://www.gwern.net/Tanks https://www.gwern.net/Tanks
    - Rainymood 8y ago
      >But quite possibly "greater efficiency" according to a fitness function that's not accurately mapped onto "keeping humans alive"... Since when was this ever the case? Especially in America? The US healthcare system is NOT built around providing adequate care for everyone, as far as I've read/heard. Full disclosure: West-EU citizen here
sgt101 8y ago
Meanwhile, Thomas Sandholm's company built and deployed and AI system that supports all organ transplants in the USA. No deep learning though.
mockingbirdy 8y ago
> humans will be at their mercy. It was always like this. In my opinion it doesn't make a difference if some guy is more intelligent and is therefore able to suppress others or if he uses an AI that is more intelligent. For me the result is the same: I get rekt.
rasz 8y ago
There exists a pain threshold you dont want people to cross due to your automation, otherwise your developers/executives risk being killed by customers. Luddites, Ted Kaczynski, Nasim Aghdam, etc. Google/Apple shuttle buses are being shot up with pellet guns today, imagine what happens when big AI corps openly work against population. Google AI/Amazon Rekognition protests suggest at least some employees have a shred of self awareness and survival Instinct.

jahabrewer 8y ago

> One panelist said that a startup they were working with wants to help doctors use AI to use NLP to send claims to insurance companies in a way that won't be rejected. Another panelist said that he was working with another startup that wants to use AI and NLP to help insurance companies reject claims. Sounds like GAN in meatspace.

vokep 8y ago
Yep, They compete endlessly, while we enjoy hyper-accurate decisions on these things, leading to greater efficiency of both.
- bigiain 8y ago
  Yes. But quite possibly "greater efficiency" according to a fitness function that's not accurately mapped onto "keeping humans alive"... I wonder if this'll end up in an equivalent state to the "tank detection neural net" which learned with 100% accuracy that the researchers/trainers had always taken pictures of tanks on cloudy days and pictures without tanks on sunny days? ( https://www.jefftk.com/p/detecting-tanks https://www.jefftk.com/p/detecting-tanks ) Who'd bet against the doctor/insurer neural net training ending up approving all procedures where, say, the doctor ends up with a kickback from a drug company - instead of optimising for maximum human health benefit?
  - aoeuid 8y ago
    Note that that story is apocryphal: https://www.gwern.net/Tanks https://www.gwern.net/Tanks
  - Rainymood 8y ago
    >But quite possibly "greater efficiency" according to a fitness function that's not accurately mapped onto "keeping humans alive"... Since when was this ever the case? Especially in America? The US healthcare system is NOT built around providing adequate care for everyone, as far as I've read/heard. Full disclosure: West-EU citizen here

sgt101 8y ago

Meanwhile, Thomas Sandholm's company built and deployed and AI system that supports all organ transplants in the USA. No deep learning though.

mockingbirdy 8y ago

> humans will be at their mercy. It was always like this. In my opinion it doesn't make a difference if some guy is more intelligent and is therefore able to suppress others or if he uses an AI that is more intelligent. For me the result is the same: I get rekt.

rasz 8y ago

There exists a pain threshold you dont want people to cross due to your automation, otherwise your developers/executives risk being killed by customers. Luddites, Ted Kaczynski, Nasim Aghdam, etc. Google/Apple shuttle buses are being shot up with pellet guns today, imagine what happens when big AI corps openly work against population. Google AI/Amazon Rekognition protests suggest at least some employees have a shred of self awareness and survival Instinct.