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I have not read those books. It sounds the CIA pressuring third world nations to do things not in their economic interests. I don't support that. That is bad b

I have not read those books. It sounds the CIA pressuring third world nations to do things not in their economic interests. I don't support that. That is bad but different to stealing technology using hidden back doors which China reportedly does. I have no evidence either way. But pressuring third world nations to do things not in their economic interests is not that different to what the One Belt One Road program is doing using loans on uneconomic projects. Both are bad but US does not seem to steal technology through hacking like China does. I am not sure why

glenndebacker 8y ago
"Both are bad but US does not seem to steal technology through hacking like China does. I am not sure why" Maybe not through hacking but historical a lot of the industrial revolution that happened in the US was by means of "stealing" British technology, improving on it and don't have any regards for their patents at that time. There is really some irony somewhere in there.
- IntelAMDVia 8y ago
  I have heard that was not state sponsored but people memorizing schematics. I am not sure though. I am interested in learning more. China does innovate. But it is a nation sponsoring technology stealing on a huge scale. I don't think USA ever did that. I am happy to be proved wrong.
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  That was 200 to 300 years ago. Nobody alive today was even alive during the industrial revolution, so I would not consider this to be a relevant indication of current activity.
  - mtw 8y ago
    History has a consequence to current activity. Take China. They had to open their borders in 19th century and then saw the British flood the market with opium and thus making millions of addicted chinese. Years of shame that all Chinese still remember, and that's why they don't allow single western companies come and sell any product. They know western companies have a history of abuse and won't let history repeat twice
tmd83 8y ago
It's a little hard to say which is worse. Not aware of the 'One Belt One Read' program. But in terms of technology stealing by nature they are mostly stealing from bigger guys and lessening their advantage/power. CIA basically preyed upon the weak, destroy countries stability and makes life hard or impossible for millions. The strong will always prefer to steal from the weak, those who cannot fight back. I'm not saying Chinese are good or they aren't doing the same or the potential horrendous impact them stealing some powerful technology. But one have to agree in most cases it's not preying upon the weak and defenseless. Its just an interesting observation really.
- gonvaled 8y ago
  Great observation, which links to something I have been trying to communicate for some time: the biggest "sin" of the US is not that it has illegaly invaded countries, or killed civilians, or spied, or stolen. The biggest sin is that it has squandered a huge moral, technological and economical lead, and instead of having lead with it for a fairer and multipolar world, it has, at every opportunity, tried to profit from the relative weakness of the "adversaries". Now nobody believes in anybody, because when it was needed, principles were traded for strategic advances.

glenndebacker 8y ago

"Both are bad but US does not seem to steal technology through hacking like China does. I am not sure why" Maybe not through hacking but historical a lot of the industrial revolution that happened in the US was by means of "stealing" British technology, improving on it and don't have any regards for their patents at that time. There is really some irony somewhere in there.

IntelAMDVia 8y ago
I have heard that was not state sponsored but people memorizing schematics. I am not sure though. I am interested in learning more. China does innovate. But it is a nation sponsoring technology stealing on a huge scale. I don't think USA ever did that. I am happy to be proved wrong.
lawnchair_larry 8y ago
That was 200 to 300 years ago. Nobody alive today was even alive during the industrial revolution, so I would not consider this to be a relevant indication of current activity.
- mtw 8y ago
  History has a consequence to current activity. Take China. They had to open their borders in 19th century and then saw the British flood the market with opium and thus making millions of addicted chinese. Years of shame that all Chinese still remember, and that's why they don't allow single western companies come and sell any product. They know western companies have a history of abuse and won't let history repeat twice

tmd83 8y ago

It's a little hard to say which is worse. Not aware of the 'One Belt One Read' program. But in terms of technology stealing by nature they are mostly stealing from bigger guys and lessening their advantage/power. CIA basically preyed upon the weak, destroy countries stability and makes life hard or impossible for millions. The strong will always prefer to steal from the weak, those who cannot fight back. I'm not saying Chinese are good or they aren't doing the same or the potential horrendous impact them stealing some powerful technology. But one have to agree in most cases it's not preying upon the weak and defenseless. Its just an interesting observation really.

gonvaled 8y ago
Great observation, which links to something I have been trying to communicate for some time: the biggest "sin" of the US is not that it has illegaly invaded countries, or killed civilians, or spied, or stolen. The biggest sin is that it has squandered a huge moral, technological and economical lead, and instead of having lead with it for a fairer and multipolar world, it has, at every opportunity, tried to profit from the relative weakness of the "adversaries". Now nobody believes in anybody, because when it was needed, principles were traded for strategic advances.