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> Amazon’s facial recognition service, Rekognition, is designed to identify and track people going about their daily business. This isn’t hyperbole - a Rekognit

> Amazon’s facial recognition service, Rekognition, is designed to identify and track people going about their daily business. This isn’t hyperbole - a Rekognition spokesperson explicitly mentioned real-time tracking and identification at an Amazon Web Services summit earlier this year. The same spokesperson went on to call Orlando a “smart city,” with cameras everywhere that allow authorities to track persons of interest in real time. Truly creepy.

394549 8y ago
> The same spokesperson went on to call Orlando a “smart city,” with cameras everywhere that allow authorities to track persons of interest in real time. Someone needs to design an AI-powered camera-seeking spraypaint drone.
- plasticchris 8y ago
  This would be pretty easy at night, just seek after ir lights.
pjc50 8y ago
I wonder what the GDPR implications of this are.
- tajen 8y ago
  If a European goes there, he’ll have to sign a GDPR agreement? but if the city grew tired of that, they could forbid access to Europeans altogether. Which I’m not surprised would happen one day, perhaps not under this form, but becausr of our overprotected status.
  - eecc 8y ago
    I could become a “Canary Clause”: you know a jurisdiction doesn’t abuse privacy or doesn’t deploy warrantless ubiquitous surveillance until the GDPR compliance clause disappears
  - mrep 8y ago
    But it is the us government in us territory. Does gdpr even apply to other governments?
    - fasteddie 8y ago
      no
  - hbosch 8y ago
    Sorry sir, we can’t let you through customs until you Accept the U.S. Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.
    - paxys 8y ago
      Sounds funny, but this could actually happen. By entering the country you agree to give up your EU rights, or turn around and get back on the plane.
      - njarboe 8y ago
        Yes, this is what happens. National sovereignty still exists. Maybe, since Europeans have a supra-national entity above their countries, they don't quite grok that everywhere else a country is the top giver of the law.
        ben_w 8y ago
        I doubt it’s particularly different to Americans having trouble with the idea that not everyone has the first or second amendments. Or, even, an explicit constitution.
        oneplane 8y ago
        It's the same with many europeans having trouble with the idea that you can't safely drink tap water, have no public health guarantee and education isn't equal for everyone in the US ;-) On a more serious note; stuff like the US amendments is often already included in the base law (the generic name for constitution) as they are much older than the US. The times where the base law was somewhat more moldable (like before widespread literacy) made that possible. For example, freedom of religion is pretty universal, except in countries where a ruling religion exists which inherently to the religion bans all others. Arms are usually removed from base laws a few hundred years in as they directly conflict with the laws that ban killing people.
      - jacquesm 8y ago
        That was a past station years ago: https://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Data-collection-for-the-USA https://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Data-collection-for-the-USA https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-strike-deal-on-sharing-transatlantic-travel-data/a-2637402 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-strike-deal-on-sharing-transatla... And all in the name of combating terrorism.
  - eli 8y ago
    Doesn’t apply if you aren’t standing in the EU
    - tajen 8y ago
      GDPR applies if you are a European citizen visiting a website while on holiday in USA, for example. It doesn’t seem to me that GDPR stops when crossing a border. Which is why it has so much worldwide reach.
      - kasey_junk 8y ago
        That is not a commonly held interpretation of the law, especially if the entities collecting & processing the data are not in the EU.
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- krick 8y ago
  First of, law exists (i.e. "means anything") only if you have the means to enforce it, like armed squads to terrorize the population or a leverage of some other kind. Like, for example, Amazon (wherever it's located) probably has to abide to GDPR as long as it wants to sell to EU customers. Orlando city, located in the US under US jurisdiction, and not trying to sell anything to anybody in the EU doesn't give a fuck about European laws, even if they stated that Orlando should. Second, it seems to be a popular misunderstanding, that GDPR affects Europeans everywhere they go and you need person's confirmation to store his data. It affects people currently located in Europe, and there are listed multiple very vague excuses for storing user's data without explicit consent, like "in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person", with which global tracking by law enforcement agencies could be easily justified.
deleted_account 8y ago
Are people surprised that real-time image analysis has been commodified or that local governments are already applying this technology ahead of policy discussions? Clarifying edit: I'm not being disingenuous. I may be too close to the technology to grok why this thread is a down-vote minefield. Running OpenCV on an Arduino board is years-old proof-of-concept stuff and now I have an AWS DeepLens sitting on my desk that can name which of my neighbors walked their dog past my house.
- Zarath 8y ago
  No, but I'm sure many of the people working on it will continue to deny that they are simply building tools of control. That, or they don't care, or think it's a good thing.
  - mulmen 8y ago
    I'm honestly not sure how I feel about the expectation that employees and corporations act with some (or any) kind of morality beyond "make money legally". Philosophically I would rather laws and social norms are enforced by law and not corporations or individuals with disproportionate influence.
    - slededit 8y ago
      Are they not citizens? Surely a person has a duty above personal wealth. Past generations certainly thought that way.
      - mulmen 8y ago
        I’m not sure about you but my personal identify is not wholly made up of my employment. My comment is clearly about the danger of imposing morality through corporate influence. I did not say that a person’s entire responsibility is to enrich themselves. I said that is the responsibility of an employee. People can and do have complex and sometimes conflicting interests and responsibilities.
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sizzle 8y ago
On track to achieving real life "1984"
walrus01 8y ago
as implemented in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1SEqNT-7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1SEqNT-7c
touristtam 8y ago
Funny how there is a debate in France about the exact same topic: https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2018/03/22/la-cnil-defavorable-a-l-utilisation-de-l-application-de-securite-reporty-a-nice_5274783_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2018/03/22/la-cnil-def... (FR)

394549 8y ago

> The same spokesperson went on to call Orlando a “smart city,” with cameras everywhere that allow authorities to track persons of interest in real time. Someone needs to design an AI-powered camera-seeking spraypaint drone.

plasticchris 8y ago
This would be pretty easy at night, just seek after ir lights.

pjc50 8y ago

I wonder what the GDPR implications of this are.

tajen 8y ago
If a European goes there, he’ll have to sign a GDPR agreement? but if the city grew tired of that, they could forbid access to Europeans altogether. Which I’m not surprised would happen one day, perhaps not under this form, but becausr of our overprotected status.
- eecc 8y ago
  I could become a “Canary Clause”: you know a jurisdiction doesn’t abuse privacy or doesn’t deploy warrantless ubiquitous surveillance until the GDPR compliance clause disappears
- mrep 8y ago
  But it is the us government in us territory. Does gdpr even apply to other governments?
  - fasteddie 8y ago
    no
- hbosch 8y ago
  Sorry sir, we can’t let you through customs until you Accept the U.S. Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.
  - paxys 8y ago
    Sounds funny, but this could actually happen. By entering the country you agree to give up your EU rights, or turn around and get back on the plane.
    - njarboe 8y ago
      Yes, this is what happens. National sovereignty still exists. Maybe, since Europeans have a supra-national entity above their countries, they don't quite grok that everywhere else a country is the top giver of the law.
      - ben_w 8y ago
        I doubt it’s particularly different to Americans having trouble with the idea that not everyone has the first or second amendments. Or, even, an explicit constitution.
        oneplane 8y ago
        It's the same with many europeans having trouble with the idea that you can't safely drink tap water, have no public health guarantee and education isn't equal for everyone in the US ;-) On a more serious note; stuff like the US amendments is often already included in the base law (the generic name for constitution) as they are much older than the US. The times where the base law was somewhat more moldable (like before widespread literacy) made that possible. For example, freedom of religion is pretty universal, except in countries where a ruling religion exists which inherently to the religion bans all others. Arms are usually removed from base laws a few hundred years in as they directly conflict with the laws that ban killing people.
    - jacquesm 8y ago
      That was a past station years ago: https://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Data-collection-for-the-USA https://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Data-collection-for-the-USA https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-strike-deal-on-sharing-transatlantic-travel-data/a-2637402 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-strike-deal-on-sharing-transatla... And all in the name of combating terrorism.
- eli 8y ago
  Doesn’t apply if you aren’t standing in the EU
  - tajen 8y ago
    GDPR applies if you are a European citizen visiting a website while on holiday in USA, for example. It doesn’t seem to me that GDPR stops when crossing a border. Which is why it has so much worldwide reach.
    - kasey_junk 8y ago
      That is not a commonly held interpretation of the law, especially if the entities collecting & processing the data are not in the EU.
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krick 8y ago
First of, law exists (i.e. "means anything") only if you have the means to enforce it, like armed squads to terrorize the population or a leverage of some other kind. Like, for example, Amazon (wherever it's located) probably has to abide to GDPR as long as it wants to sell to EU customers. Orlando city, located in the US under US jurisdiction, and not trying to sell anything to anybody in the EU doesn't give a fuck about European laws, even if they stated that Orlando should. Second, it seems to be a popular misunderstanding, that GDPR affects Europeans everywhere they go and you need person's confirmation to store his data. It affects people currently located in Europe, and there are listed multiple very vague excuses for storing user's data without explicit consent, like "in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person", with which global tracking by law enforcement agencies could be easily justified.

deleted_account 8y ago

Are people surprised that real-time image analysis has been commodified or that local governments are already applying this technology ahead of policy discussions? Clarifying edit: I'm not being disingenuous. I may be too close to the technology to grok why this thread is a down-vote minefield. Running OpenCV on an Arduino board is years-old proof-of-concept stuff and now I have an AWS DeepLens sitting on my desk that can name which of my neighbors walked their dog past my house.

Zarath 8y ago
No, but I'm sure many of the people working on it will continue to deny that they are simply building tools of control. That, or they don't care, or think it's a good thing.
- mulmen 8y ago
  I'm honestly not sure how I feel about the expectation that employees and corporations act with some (or any) kind of morality beyond "make money legally". Philosophically I would rather laws and social norms are enforced by law and not corporations or individuals with disproportionate influence.
  - slededit 8y ago
    Are they not citizens? Surely a person has a duty above personal wealth. Past generations certainly thought that way.
    - mulmen 8y ago
      I’m not sure about you but my personal identify is not wholly made up of my employment. My comment is clearly about the danger of imposing morality through corporate influence. I did not say that a person’s entire responsibility is to enrich themselves. I said that is the responsibility of an employee. People can and do have complex and sometimes conflicting interests and responsibilities.
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sizzle 8y ago

On track to achieving real life "1984"

walrus01 8y ago

as implemented in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1SEqNT-7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1SEqNT-7c

touristtam 8y ago

Funny how there is a debate in France about the exact same topic: https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2018/03/22/la-cnil-defavorable-a-l-utilisation-de-l-application-de-securite-reporty-a-nice_5274783_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2018/03/22/la-cnil-def... (FR)