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With such laws as this, and giant cookie consent banners, I'm surprised Brexit wasn't/isn't more popular. Edit: apparently I'm not surprised. Or not allowed t

With such laws as this, and giant cookie consent banners, I'm surprised Brexit wasn't/isn't more popular. Edit: apparently I'm not surprised. Or not allowed to be.

chki 8y ago
I didn't downvote you. But maybe other people have because of the huge difference between leaving a union of states and peoples (which has a lot of impact, e.g. freedom of movement and trade) and clicking on a banner which is slightly annoying at most.
- marcus_holmes 8y ago
  I think HN is generally anti-Brexit, so the downvotes are likely to be expressing that opinion rather than any specific complaint about the post
  - digi_owl 8y ago
    > I think HN is generally anti-Brexit As best i can tell, you can draw clear EU sentiments based on age and education. Younger and better educated are largely pro-EU as they are in a position to seek employment within the euro-sphere virtually at will (and may had friends all over thanks to various EU education programs). Others have watched local industry either moving their activities abroad, or simply running a skeleton crew between contracts. And when a contract hits, most of the people working there may not even speak a language the locals understand. Yes that may sound like racism, and the extremists can score some cheap points on it, but for the most part the issue is one of livelihood. Where as previous generations could count on their industrial or service job to carry them through setting up a home and starting a family, now they can't. And they see the EU as the reason why by eroding their access to jobs.
pjc50 8y ago
The cookie consent banners were never really a requirement, more a band-aid for the advertising industry's continued surveillance. As we've seen with GDPR, not being in the EU wouldn't actually help much with this because almost all websites would still want to sell into (or even be run from) the EU.
fauigerzigerk 8y ago
You shouldn't be surprised. It's not like the UK is taking a substantially different position on copyrights, and many UK consumers do welcome the protections afforded by GDPR. The Labour MEP on the legal affairs committee voted in favor of the copyright directive. The conservative member abstained.
- digi_owl 8y ago
  Best i can tell, copyright is a topic that allows up and comping politicians to virtue signal and/or for the economic powers that be to test the allegiance of rising political stars. It is also a dry subject that most people don't care about until they get a sour letter from some lawyer because Timmy discovered bittorrent.
  - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
    It is a dry subject, but make no mistake, this is not just a pet subject of individual MPs/MEPs. The "value gap" argument used to justify the EU copyright directive is right there in the 2017 Labour manifesto: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-mani... The conservatives have used similar but more general language as well.
pbhjpbhj 8y ago
Online privacy regulation restraining the non-consensual tracking of private individuals; impingement of widescale manipulation of the public via social media ... how awful for us all in Europe, eh? How dare Europe even try and protect the rights of private individuals. /s

With such laws as this, and giant cookie consent banners, I'm surprised Brexit wasn't/isn't more popular. Edit: apparently I'm not surprised. Or not allowed to be.

chki 8y ago

I didn't downvote you. But maybe other people have because of the huge difference between leaving a union of states and peoples (which has a lot of impact, e.g. freedom of movement and trade) and clicking on a banner which is slightly annoying at most.

marcus_holmes 8y ago
I think HN is generally anti-Brexit, so the downvotes are likely to be expressing that opinion rather than any specific complaint about the post
- digi_owl 8y ago
  > I think HN is generally anti-Brexit As best i can tell, you can draw clear EU sentiments based on age and education. Younger and better educated are largely pro-EU as they are in a position to seek employment within the euro-sphere virtually at will (and may had friends all over thanks to various EU education programs). Others have watched local industry either moving their activities abroad, or simply running a skeleton crew between contracts. And when a contract hits, most of the people working there may not even speak a language the locals understand. Yes that may sound like racism, and the extremists can score some cheap points on it, but for the most part the issue is one of livelihood. Where as previous generations could count on their industrial or service job to carry them through setting up a home and starting a family, now they can't. And they see the EU as the reason why by eroding their access to jobs.

pjc50 8y ago

The cookie consent banners were never really a requirement, more a band-aid for the advertising industry's continued surveillance. As we've seen with GDPR, not being in the EU wouldn't actually help much with this because almost all websites would still want to sell into (or even be run from) the EU.

fauigerzigerk 8y ago

You shouldn't be surprised. It's not like the UK is taking a substantially different position on copyrights, and many UK consumers do welcome the protections afforded by GDPR. The Labour MEP on the legal affairs committee voted in favor of the copyright directive. The conservative member abstained.

digi_owl 8y ago
Best i can tell, copyright is a topic that allows up and comping politicians to virtue signal and/or for the economic powers that be to test the allegiance of rising political stars. It is also a dry subject that most people don't care about until they get a sour letter from some lawyer because Timmy discovered bittorrent.
- fauigerzigerk 8y ago
  It is a dry subject, but make no mistake, this is not just a pet subject of individual MPs/MEPs. The "value gap" argument used to justify the EU copyright directive is right there in the 2017 Labour manifesto: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-mani... The conservatives have used similar but more general language as well.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

Online privacy regulation restraining the non-consensual tracking of private individuals; impingement of widescale manipulation of the public via social media ... how awful for us all in Europe, eh? How dare Europe even try and protect the rights of private individuals. /s