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The good thing also is, that the Worldcup will be over when the law is discussed again. You can spot pretty easily how laws like this are always pushed in a tim

by akuji1993 8y ago

The good thing also is, that the Worldcup will be over when the law is discussed again. You can spot pretty easily how laws like this are always pushed in a time where most people are occupied with something else, usually around summer. It's ridiculous how often that happens. Let's hope we don't have a big distraction coming up in September.

lawlessone 8y ago
Brexit was pushed through while loads of people from the UK that could have voted were in France at matches for the Euros. why the downvotes?
- Double_a_92 8y ago
  That doesn't make sense though... Because the plan was NOT to brexit.
  - monkeynotes 8y ago
    Whose plan? Cameron's plan for sure, but it's not all that far fetched to believe he was ill advised and manipulated by his party (a lot of Eurosceptics in the Tory party). Ever watched Yes Minister? I know it's satire, but it's more than believable.
    - jcranmer 8y ago
      The leading faces of the Brexit movement--people like Boris Johnston or Nigel Farage--were completely caught off-guard by the victory. Cameron's decision to resign immediately after the referendum loss also meant that the Brexit negotiations would be completely owned by the Brexiteers, as they ran out of people who could be blamed if/when things go south. What was desired by these leading anti-EU folks was not a victory, but a very close loss. They get to keep blaming the EU for every problem (useful, when the biggest gripe--immigration--was entirely under the control of the UK, not the EU). They get to demonstrate that they have too much support to be ignored, but they don't have the responsibility of actually enacting the agenda.
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    Whoever ensured the referendum was in the Tory election manifesto certainly was planning on Brexit happening. You don't pay millions in to Tory funds, employ MPs and give pensions to ex-MPs and not get your way.
- barking 8y ago
  Maybe david Cameron reckoned England football supporters would more likely to be pro-Brexit?
- rezeroed 8y ago
  With such laws as this, and giant cookie consent banners, I'm surprised Brexit wasn't/isn't more popular. Edit: apparently I'm not surprised. Or not allowed to be.
  - chki 8y ago
    I didn't downvote you. But maybe other people have because of the huge difference between leaving a union of states and peoples (which has a lot of impact, e.g. freedom of movement and trade) and clicking on a banner which is slightly annoying at most.
    - marcus_holmes 8y ago
      I think HN is generally anti-Brexit, so the downvotes are likely to be expressing that opinion rather than any specific complaint about the post
      - digi_owl 8y ago
        > I think HN is generally anti-Brexit As best i can tell, you can draw clear EU sentiments based on age and education. Younger and better educated are largely pro-EU as they are in a position to seek employment within the euro-sphere virtually at will (and may had friends all over thanks to various EU education programs). Others have watched local industry either moving their activities abroad, or simply running a skeleton crew between contracts. And when a contract hits, most of the people working there may not even speak a language the locals understand. Yes that may sound like racism, and the extremists can score some cheap points on it, but for the most part the issue is one of livelihood. Where as previous generations could count on their industrial or service job to carry them through setting up a home and starting a family, now they can't. And they see the EU as the reason why by eroding their access to jobs.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    The cookie consent banners were never really a requirement, more a band-aid for the advertising industry's continued surveillance. As we've seen with GDPR, not being in the EU wouldn't actually help much with this because almost all websites would still want to sell into (or even be run from) the EU.
- tzahola 8y ago
  Brexit wasn't "pushed through". Everyone was pretty confident that they'll stay in the EU.
  - barking 8y ago
    And the way things are going it's looking like Britain will be brexiting in name only.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      That's the least worst option, but I'm still hoping that someone will join the dots and realise that giving up our vote and participation is a pointless idea and that we should just cancel it.
    - rusk 8y ago
      We can only hope. The alternatives are too dismal to contemplate.
      - joosteto 8y ago
        And if you do contemplate them, you'll be accused of participating in project fear.
        rusk 8y ago
        Project fear didn't go far enough.
    - Arnt 8y ago
      You think so? AFAICT there isn't even such a proposal being negotiated, and it had better be ready for signing this year. BINO looks like it might fail through simple lack of time.
      - barking 8y ago
        It will all be decided only at the last moment as is the custom for this sort of thing! (I hope)
- ptero 8y ago
  > why the downvotes? I did not downvote you, but I think you are getting beaten because you brought up a potential hot topic (brexit) in a way that is unrelated to the discussion topic (copyright). The argument that parties could have been using similar tactics is IMO irrelevant even if true (and that is not clear to me either).
bloak 8y ago
Yes, and I still remember how they tried to adopt software patents, without a vote, at a fishery meeting on 24 Jan 2005. So be on the lookout for any similar fishy business. Though in that particular case the "fishiness" led to rather a lot of journalists reporting on the general hilarity of the situation, which probably helped it fail. The bad guys will have learnt from that and will probably avoid any obvious fish-connections in future.
- type0 8y ago
  > Though in that particular case the "fishiness" led to rather a lot of journalists reporting on the general hilarity of the situation ... Hilarious, but this is how they should have done it properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBZnfB46es https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBZnfB46es # How much is the fish!? The bigger fish keeps eating all the smaller ones. It's not like anyone cares. Nah, let's just go watch some football, shall we.
petepete 8y ago
It's funny you should mention The World Cup, FIFA are hugely annoying when it comes to copyright. It's only just making the normal news[0], but their pettiness has plagued the sharing of small clips and highlights. Do they really want me to wait for an incident to be televised before I can discuss it online? Should I have to track down specific moments in a game using my own recording in order to be able to discuss it? FIFA, the World's Most Corrupt Organisation™, should realise that fans enjoying and discussing their events adds a lot of value and will drive more viewers. [0] https://inews.co.uk/video/fifa-delete-twitter-video-of-boy-celebrating-world-cup-goal/ https://inews.co.uk/video/fifa-delete-twitter-video-of-boy-c...
- Already__Taken 8y ago
  FIA are pretty in the dark ages with F1 too. FE is slightly different and seems to be where they're experimenting. GTE is getting better too.
  - wattengard 8y ago
    And don't even mention the Olympics! No ... seriously ... don't mention them ... You'll get sued.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
  - doikor 8y ago
    FIA doesn’t hold the commercial rights to F1 so everything related to clips etc is not handled by them. This has been getting better in F1 too after Liberty Media bought the commercial rights from Bernie. Formula One Group being be entity that holds the rights and was sold to Liberty Media for 4.4 billion in 2016.
  - michaelscott 8y ago
    F1 hasn't been too bad; you can access live recordings of the Grand Prix, race highlights and sometimes even links through to third party retrospectives through their Youtube channel.
cesarb 8y ago
For several EU countries including Germany, the World Cup was already over as of this vote. Moreover, this vote happened precisely during a two-day "pause" before the quarterfinals in which there are no games. If the intention was to push this law while people were distracted with the games, whoever did that had rotten timing.
- pluma 8y ago
  The point isn't that the vote itself was held in the middle of the World Cup, the point is that the time during which the public would have had informed itself about the issue and news coverage might have featured it overlapped with the time during which headlines are typically dominated by the World Cup. This isn't unusual and it doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to see a pattern. In fact, if you don't want too much public scrutiny, this is exactly what you would want to do. Actually Germany provides a good example for where this might work because historically Germany always made it past the group stage and Germans in general tend to follow their World Cup coverage fairly closely -- and it would have worked this time, too, hadn't it been for those meddling South Koreans.
Angostura 8y ago
There are very few weeks in the year when something "Big" isn't happening somewhere in Europe, so this is an easy accusation to level. I doubt its coordinated.
- s3m4j 8y ago
  That was my thought as well, there's always something "big" going on. IMO, it would be difficult, near impossible, to coordinate votes with events, going through the bureaucracy involved etc.
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  I went to the BBC site thinking Erdogan's re-election would be on the homepage (a day or two after the election IIRC), nope, nearly all World Cup. So, it would certainly be on the News section, er nope; not in the European news subsection either. Searched and found one video which was propaganda level of support for Erdogan. Might've been just me. I don't quite see how the World Cup is more than a small news story. Why isn't it one item in News and then all the detailed stuff in Sport section. (Yes, I'm watching it, yes I enjoy it, yes I love football; no I don't think the BBC should devote half the resources they are to it.)
  - anticensor 8y ago
    Erdoğan approved an act forbidding presidential candidates being financed by political parties but not president itself financed by means of state, during electoral propaganda. It is not unexpected that Erdoğan has got himself re-elected with unequal opportunity of propaganda, favoring himself.
  - Angostura 8y ago
    There were 5 news stories published on July 25th about the results. This story was (for a while) top story on the morning the resuklts came in https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072
    - isostatic 8y ago

lawlessone 8y ago

Brexit was pushed through while loads of people from the UK that could have voted were in France at matches for the Euros. why the downvotes?

Double_a_92 8y ago
That doesn't make sense though... Because the plan was NOT to brexit.
- monkeynotes 8y ago
  Whose plan? Cameron's plan for sure, but it's not all that far fetched to believe he was ill advised and manipulated by his party (a lot of Eurosceptics in the Tory party). Ever watched Yes Minister? I know it's satire, but it's more than believable.
  - jcranmer 8y ago
    The leading faces of the Brexit movement--people like Boris Johnston or Nigel Farage--were completely caught off-guard by the victory. Cameron's decision to resign immediately after the referendum loss also meant that the Brexit negotiations would be completely owned by the Brexiteers, as they ran out of people who could be blamed if/when things go south. What was desired by these leading anti-EU folks was not a victory, but a very close loss. They get to keep blaming the EU for every problem (useful, when the biggest gripe--immigration--was entirely under the control of the UK, not the EU). They get to demonstrate that they have too much support to be ignored, but they don't have the responsibility of actually enacting the agenda.
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  Whoever ensured the referendum was in the Tory election manifesto certainly was planning on Brexit happening. You don't pay millions in to Tory funds, employ MPs and give pensions to ex-MPs and not get your way.
barking 8y ago
Maybe david Cameron reckoned England football supporters would more likely to be pro-Brexit?
rezeroed 8y ago
With such laws as this, and giant cookie consent banners, I'm surprised Brexit wasn't/isn't more popular. Edit: apparently I'm not surprised. Or not allowed to be.
- chki 8y ago
  I didn't downvote you. But maybe other people have because of the huge difference between leaving a union of states and peoples (which has a lot of impact, e.g. freedom of movement and trade) and clicking on a banner which is slightly annoying at most.
  - marcus_holmes 8y ago
    I think HN is generally anti-Brexit, so the downvotes are likely to be expressing that opinion rather than any specific complaint about the post
    - digi_owl 8y ago
      > I think HN is generally anti-Brexit As best i can tell, you can draw clear EU sentiments based on age and education. Younger and better educated are largely pro-EU as they are in a position to seek employment within the euro-sphere virtually at will (and may had friends all over thanks to various EU education programs). Others have watched local industry either moving their activities abroad, or simply running a skeleton crew between contracts. And when a contract hits, most of the people working there may not even speak a language the locals understand. Yes that may sound like racism, and the extremists can score some cheap points on it, but for the most part the issue is one of livelihood. Where as previous generations could count on their industrial or service job to carry them through setting up a home and starting a family, now they can't. And they see the EU as the reason why by eroding their access to jobs.
- pjc50 8y ago
  The cookie consent banners were never really a requirement, more a band-aid for the advertising industry's continued surveillance. As we've seen with GDPR, not being in the EU wouldn't actually help much with this because almost all websites would still want to sell into (or even be run from) the EU.
tzahola 8y ago
Brexit wasn't "pushed through". Everyone was pretty confident that they'll stay in the EU.
- barking 8y ago
  And the way things are going it's looking like Britain will be brexiting in name only.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    That's the least worst option, but I'm still hoping that someone will join the dots and realise that giving up our vote and participation is a pointless idea and that we should just cancel it.
  - rusk 8y ago
    We can only hope. The alternatives are too dismal to contemplate.
    - joosteto 8y ago
      And if you do contemplate them, you'll be accused of participating in project fear.
      - rusk 8y ago
        Project fear didn't go far enough.
  - Arnt 8y ago
    You think so? AFAICT there isn't even such a proposal being negotiated, and it had better be ready for signing this year. BINO looks like it might fail through simple lack of time.
    - barking 8y ago
      It will all be decided only at the last moment as is the custom for this sort of thing! (I hope)
ptero 8y ago
> why the downvotes? I did not downvote you, but I think you are getting beaten because you brought up a potential hot topic (brexit) in a way that is unrelated to the discussion topic (copyright). The argument that parties could have been using similar tactics is IMO irrelevant even if true (and that is not clear to me either).

bloak 8y ago

Yes, and I still remember how they tried to adopt software patents, without a vote, at a fishery meeting on 24 Jan 2005. So be on the lookout for any similar fishy business. Though in that particular case the "fishiness" led to rather a lot of journalists reporting on the general hilarity of the situation, which probably helped it fail. The bad guys will have learnt from that and will probably avoid any obvious fish-connections in future.

type0 8y ago
> Though in that particular case the "fishiness" led to rather a lot of journalists reporting on the general hilarity of the situation ... Hilarious, but this is how they should have done it properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBZnfB46es https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBZnfB46es # How much is the fish!? The bigger fish keeps eating all the smaller ones. It's not like anyone cares. Nah, let's just go watch some football, shall we.

petepete 8y ago

It's funny you should mention The World Cup, FIFA are hugely annoying when it comes to copyright. It's only just making the normal news[0], but their pettiness has plagued the sharing of small clips and highlights. Do they really want me to wait for an incident to be televised before I can discuss it online? Should I have to track down specific moments in a game using my own recording in order to be able to discuss it? FIFA, the World's Most Corrupt Organisation™, should realise that fans enjoying and discussing their events adds a lot of value and will drive more viewers. [0] https://inews.co.uk/video/fifa-delete-twitter-video-of-boy-celebrating-world-cup-goal/ https://inews.co.uk/video/fifa-delete-twitter-video-of-boy-c...

Already__Taken 8y ago
FIA are pretty in the dark ages with F1 too. FE is slightly different and seems to be where they're experimenting. GTE is getting better too.
- wattengard 8y ago
  And don't even mention the Olympics! No ... seriously ... don't mention them ... You'll get sued.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- doikor 8y ago
  FIA doesn’t hold the commercial rights to F1 so everything related to clips etc is not handled by them. This has been getting better in F1 too after Liberty Media bought the commercial rights from Bernie. Formula One Group being be entity that holds the rights and was sold to Liberty Media for 4.4 billion in 2016.
- michaelscott 8y ago
  F1 hasn't been too bad; you can access live recordings of the Grand Prix, race highlights and sometimes even links through to third party retrospectives through their Youtube channel.

cesarb 8y ago

For several EU countries including Germany, the World Cup was already over as of this vote. Moreover, this vote happened precisely during a two-day "pause" before the quarterfinals in which there are no games. If the intention was to push this law while people were distracted with the games, whoever did that had rotten timing.

pluma 8y ago
The point isn't that the vote itself was held in the middle of the World Cup, the point is that the time during which the public would have had informed itself about the issue and news coverage might have featured it overlapped with the time during which headlines are typically dominated by the World Cup. This isn't unusual and it doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to see a pattern. In fact, if you don't want too much public scrutiny, this is exactly what you would want to do. Actually Germany provides a good example for where this might work because historically Germany always made it past the group stage and Germans in general tend to follow their World Cup coverage fairly closely -- and it would have worked this time, too, hadn't it been for those meddling South Koreans.

Angostura 8y ago

There are very few weeks in the year when something "Big" isn't happening somewhere in Europe, so this is an easy accusation to level. I doubt its coordinated.

s3m4j 8y ago
That was my thought as well, there's always something "big" going on. IMO, it would be difficult, near impossible, to coordinate votes with events, going through the bureaucracy involved etc.
pbhjpbhj 8y ago
I went to the BBC site thinking Erdogan's re-election would be on the homepage (a day or two after the election IIRC), nope, nearly all World Cup. So, it would certainly be on the News section, er nope; not in the European news subsection either. Searched and found one video which was propaganda level of support for Erdogan. Might've been just me. I don't quite see how the World Cup is more than a small news story. Why isn't it one item in News and then all the detailed stuff in Sport section. (Yes, I'm watching it, yes I enjoy it, yes I love football; no I don't think the BBC should devote half the resources they are to it.)
- anticensor 8y ago
  Erdoğan approved an act forbidding presidential candidates being financed by political parties but not president itself financed by means of state, during electoral propaganda. It is not unexpected that Erdoğan has got himself re-elected with unequal opportunity of propaganda, favoring himself.
- Angostura 8y ago
  There were 5 news stories published on July 25th about the results. This story was (for a while) top story on the morning the resuklts came in https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44596072
  - isostatic 8y ago