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Your world view is too narrow. That 5000 figure is important, but it's not really meaningful in the grand scheme of things. There is a 4th or 5th scenario, whe

Your world view is too narrow. That 5000 figure is important, but it's not really meaningful in the grand scheme of things. There is a 4th or 5th scenario, where 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. It's easy to assume that because a company is bigger, and have more resources and manufacturing experience, that they can move fast in developing tech. It's easy to judge a book by it's cover. Incumbents move slow ALWAYS. If moving fast was so easy, they would of done it before Tesla was born. 5. solar panels from SolarCity come into play. Tesla has already deployed Solar grids in Australia. It's not just "smoke and mirrors", it's actually in production. While the competitors are still trying to "match Tesla", Tesla has already moved on to find other areas to grow in tech advancement. Right now, solar panels are considered a "toy". It's not even on any of the car makers' radar. It's like how Tesla's first Roadster cars were not on any of the car maker's radars 5 years ago. It's a "toy" until one day, it becomes a reality, and you tout your ability to "catch up" with your "vast experience" 5 years from now, folks like you will write another article, about how GM will be able to produce solar panels to "catch up to Tesla in just one or 2 years"

rsynnott 8y ago
I don’t understand why solar panels would necessarily go with car manufacturers? They don’t seem intrinsically related at all.
- Latteland 8y ago
  The batteries are what connect them. No one else will be making batteries at that rate, at least for a pretty long time. Tesla has the cheaper batteries and related tech to use them in solar power along with cars.
  - rsynnott 8y ago
    I'd assume that the Chinese electric car and bus manufacturers, who make far more vehicles than Tesla, are making batteries at a much greater rate (or at least their suppliers are).
ntsplnkv2 8y ago
> 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. > It's easy to assume that because a company is bigger, and have more resources and manufacturing experience, that they can move fast in developing tech. It's easy to judge a book by it's cover. Incumbents move slow ALWAYS. If moving fast was so easy, they would of done it before Tesla was born. This isn't silicon valley. There is years of design and manufacturing experience that Tesla simply does not have. This isn't a software project where someone in a garage can make it and scale it. Tesla can build luxury cars because budget constraints are significantly less. Now they're struggling with the constraints like everyone else. Other car makers are just as competitive now. The reality is the Chevy Bolt is a great start and will only be improved upon. Elon Musk has no monopoly on technology. There are competitors in almost every sector. Many great engineers are elsewhere. And the reality is - most people don't care about EV right now. Sedans are struggling mightily. Americans are buying SUVs and crossovers right now. General car manufacturers are able to easily switch production when the market shifts. Tesla can't even make a budget friendly car. Their model 3 will be out of most of the market's price range. Meanwhile GM can still make a Sonic and Cruze or a pickup truck. > Right now, solar panels are considered a "toy". It's not even on any of the car makers' radar. It's like how Tesla's first Roadster cars were not on any of the car maker's radars 5 years ago. It's a "toy" until one day, it becomes a reality, and you tout your ability to "catch up" with your "vast experience" 5 years from now, folks like you will write another article, about how GM will be able to produce solar panels to "catch up to Tesla in just one or 2 years" Gee why didn't GM buy FirstEnergy or Duke Energy! They're so behind in the energy industry...This argument isn't even worth debating. GM is not a power company. They do not want to be.
- solarkraft 8y ago
  > most people don't care about EV right now > Americans are buying SUVs and crossovers right now Tesla is building SUV EVs. Other makers are planning to.
  - ntsplnkv2 8y ago
mycall 8y ago
Amazon should buy Tesla. That would blow minds.

rsynnott 8y ago

I don’t understand why solar panels would necessarily go with car manufacturers? They don’t seem intrinsically related at all.

Latteland 8y ago
The batteries are what connect them. No one else will be making batteries at that rate, at least for a pretty long time. Tesla has the cheaper batteries and related tech to use them in solar power along with cars.
- rsynnott 8y ago
  I'd assume that the Chinese electric car and bus manufacturers, who make far more vehicles than Tesla, are making batteries at a much greater rate (or at least their suppliers are).

ntsplnkv2 8y ago

> 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. > It's easy to assume that because a company is bigger, and have more resources and manufacturing experience, that they can move fast in developing tech. It's easy to judge a book by it's cover. Incumbents move slow ALWAYS. If moving fast was so easy, they would of done it before Tesla was born. This isn't silicon valley. There is years of design and manufacturing experience that Tesla simply does not have. This isn't a software project where someone in a garage can make it and scale it. Tesla can build luxury cars because budget constraints are significantly less. Now they're struggling with the constraints like everyone else. Other car makers are just as competitive now. The reality is the Chevy Bolt is a great start and will only be improved upon. Elon Musk has no monopoly on technology. There are competitors in almost every sector. Many great engineers are elsewhere. And the reality is - most people don't care about EV right now. Sedans are struggling mightily. Americans are buying SUVs and crossovers right now. General car manufacturers are able to easily switch production when the market shifts. Tesla can't even make a budget friendly car. Their model 3 will be out of most of the market's price range. Meanwhile GM can still make a Sonic and Cruze or a pickup truck. > Right now, solar panels are considered a "toy". It's not even on any of the car makers' radar. It's like how Tesla's first Roadster cars were not on any of the car maker's radars 5 years ago. It's a "toy" until one day, it becomes a reality, and you tout your ability to "catch up" with your "vast experience" 5 years from now, folks like you will write another article, about how GM will be able to produce solar panels to "catch up to Tesla in just one or 2 years" Gee why didn't GM buy FirstEnergy or Duke Energy! They're so behind in the energy industry...This argument isn't even worth debating. GM is not a power company. They do not want to be.

solarkraft 8y ago
> most people don't care about EV right now > Americans are buying SUVs and crossovers right now Tesla is building SUV EVs. Other makers are planning to.
- ntsplnkv2 8y ago

mycall 8y ago

Amazon should buy Tesla. That would blow minds.