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They definitely cannot. These numbers are completely gamed within an inch of outright fraud.

by saas_co_de 8y ago

dagenix 8y ago
pretty strong words from someone who doesn't provide any evidence
- saas_co_de 8y ago
  Only evidence is every other report of burst production rates ever, but yeah, I am sure this time is different.
  - briandear 8y ago
    Still isn’t proof; fraud is a strong term. Throwing around such allegations with any proof is irresponsible. Has Tesla been convicted of fraud in the past?
    - saas_co_de 8y ago
      Quote me. Within an inch. I can play with words too.
      - Latteland 8y ago
        Companies make plans, if they are audacious goals and you only come close, that's okay. It's not horrible. Tesla is in that camp.
  - manicdee 8y ago
    Given the tendency to sprint at the end of a quarter, what do you think the average for this next quarter is going to be? Where will production rates fall in the next few weeks compared to this almost-5000-a-week sprint? At what point do you consider the report of weekly production numbers to be fraud? Whose definition are you using? Which court will back you up?
manicdee 8y ago
So when they do maintain this rate for the next few weeks, is that still within an inch of fraud?
- Latteland 8y ago
  The cars aren't fraud, it's a weird belief system that leads to people honestly repeating that over and over. They make cars, real cars. You can order one but it takes a long time to get one. They work.
  - adventured 8y ago
    It's some kind of hyper bizarre, borderline crazy, Musk hatred syndrome that floats around parts of the tech industry. The anti-Tesla posts are always overflowing with empty, overly emotional statements. No matter how many times Musk overcomes and ultimately delivers in the end, it doesn't matter, the anti crowd returns for the next fight with the exact same emotional arguments. Maybe it's just all BMW, Toyota and Mercedes employees doing the trolling around the Internet (joking). Every ~$40k+ vehicle that Tesla sells comes directly out of their pockets (it's certainly not coming out of the pocket of GM and Ford). Over the next year, Tesla will take $20+ billion in sales away from the luxury auto makers. The bigger that number gets, the more desperate BMW, Mercedes and Toyota (Lexus) are going to get. Hundreds of billions of dollars are on the line. If you go back and read forum threads around the time the Model S was launched, people were claiming back then that Tesla could never build it in any volume period, that it would be a failure across the board. Similar claims were made about the Model 3 right out of the gate; they weren't supposed to ever make it in any volume, the venom in every thread was extreme to say the least. There's a type of person that aggressively hates successful people, and often success in general. They resent everything about it, they lust after tearing people down. Musk succeeding with Tesla is a perpetual open wound for those types.

They definitely cannot. These numbers are completely gamed within an inch of outright fraud.

dagenix 8y ago

pretty strong words from someone who doesn't provide any evidence

saas_co_de 8y ago
Only evidence is every other report of burst production rates ever, but yeah, I am sure this time is different.
- briandear 8y ago
  Still isn’t proof; fraud is a strong term. Throwing around such allegations with any proof is irresponsible. Has Tesla been convicted of fraud in the past?
  - saas_co_de 8y ago
    Quote me. Within an inch. I can play with words too.
    - Latteland 8y ago
      Companies make plans, if they are audacious goals and you only come close, that's okay. It's not horrible. Tesla is in that camp.
- manicdee 8y ago
  Given the tendency to sprint at the end of a quarter, what do you think the average for this next quarter is going to be? Where will production rates fall in the next few weeks compared to this almost-5000-a-week sprint? At what point do you consider the report of weekly production numbers to be fraud? Whose definition are you using? Which court will back you up?

manicdee 8y ago

So when they do maintain this rate for the next few weeks, is that still within an inch of fraud?

Latteland 8y ago
The cars aren't fraud, it's a weird belief system that leads to people honestly repeating that over and over. They make cars, real cars. You can order one but it takes a long time to get one. They work.
- adventured 8y ago
  It's some kind of hyper bizarre, borderline crazy, Musk hatred syndrome that floats around parts of the tech industry. The anti-Tesla posts are always overflowing with empty, overly emotional statements. No matter how many times Musk overcomes and ultimately delivers in the end, it doesn't matter, the anti crowd returns for the next fight with the exact same emotional arguments. Maybe it's just all BMW, Toyota and Mercedes employees doing the trolling around the Internet (joking). Every ~$40k+ vehicle that Tesla sells comes directly out of their pockets (it's certainly not coming out of the pocket of GM and Ford). Over the next year, Tesla will take $20+ billion in sales away from the luxury auto makers. The bigger that number gets, the more desperate BMW, Mercedes and Toyota (Lexus) are going to get. Hundreds of billions of dollars are on the line. If you go back and read forum threads around the time the Model S was launched, people were claiming back then that Tesla could never build it in any volume period, that it would be a failure across the board. Similar claims were made about the Model 3 right out of the gate; they weren't supposed to ever make it in any volume, the venom in every thread was extreme to say the least. There's a type of person that aggressively hates successful people, and often success in general. They resent everything about it, they lust after tearing people down. Musk succeeding with Tesla is a perpetual open wound for those types.