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Does quality match the quantity here? I remember Tesla having lots of quality issues (misaligned doors etc)

ryanhuff 8y ago
Mine looked good.
aphextron 8y ago
Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine.
- raverbashing 8y ago
  You can have AC on big tents, and I would be surprised if they didn't as your external 40C could easily become dangerous in a literal greenhouse. At least forced ventilation is needed.
  - aphextron 8y ago
    >You can have AC on big tents, and I would be surprised if they didn't as your external 40C could easily become dangerous in a literal greenhouse. "The tent doesn’t have air conditioning, according to the city documents." [0] It hit 90 in Fremont yesterday... [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-25/the-future-of-tesla-hinges-on-this-gigantic-tent https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-25/the-futur...
  - IshKebab 8y ago
    There was a video linked of the "tent" and the ends are open, so I don't think AC would work.
    - manicdee 8y ago
      The video clearly shows the ends are being closed up.
  - deleted 8y ago
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- donarb 8y ago
  Along with blowing dust, pollen, birds, rodents, etc. Factories don't need to be clean roomed like they do for computer chips, but you'd think it would be closed to the outside elements.
- RaceWon 8y ago
  My question is who R&D's these cars at the limits of adhesion? Every single auto maker track tests their cars using real racing drivers who understand vehicle dynamics and can comfortably drive street cars on the limit, and over it. Track testing ensures a car is safe for the average driver, who has no idea that the throttle steers the back of the car-to give just one example. How will these cars behave when little Jimmy rides his bike in front of them and they have to execute evasive maneuvers? I hope someone who has a clue about driving was seriously involved with the handling characteristics, otherwise who knows how these cars will behave.
  - Latteland 8y ago
    come on, that's a silly fear mongering ignorant post. They've had designers and engineers from many other car companies working on their cars and you can see endless pictures and videos of people driving their cars on tracks since even before 2012, when the S first came out.
    - RaceWon 8y ago
      Yes I agree, I don't follow street cars near as close as I do race cars, so I was ignorant and too busy at that time to G it. TBH I am fundamentally adverse to self-driving cars (though I'd love to race against their future counterparts, but alas I'll be too old) but I am not a Musk hater-I find it astonishing that he can land a rocket on a barge. I am happy to hear he sought out expert advice, and now thanks to you, I have to look into that more myself :)
      - Latteland 8y ago
        thanks for your honest answer!
  - gameswithgo 8y ago
    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-professional-driver-time-attack-race/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-professional-driver-...
- inferiorhuman 8y ago
  > Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine. Well, Musk himself said that the cars being made in the tent are higher quality. > “It does everything that the other assembly lines do but with fewer people, lower labor costs and much higher uptime,” he said. “Our unit cost for vehicles is lower on that line than on the other lines, and we’re seeing higher initial quality.” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/business/tesla-factory-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/business/tesla-factory-mu...
- minhazm 8y ago
  I think the estimates I saw were a few hundred are being produced in the tents. In any case, the customers are who will deal with any quality issues. If there are issues, Tesla has a track record of making things right for the customer.
  - falcolas 8y ago
    If you can afford to wait the 5-7 months during which you may not have your Tesla. You can't even get it repaired on your own dime; the computer inside won't let you.
technofiend 8y ago
That plus the fact that Tesla doesn't have a dealership system to distribute the repair load and parts will be going to new cars if current Tesla owner complaints are any indicator and at least for me there is no way I'd buy a Hail Mary car built in 2018. Give him time to work out reliably making 5k cars per week then sure, but I think you're still somewhat in an early adopter phase buying a Model 3 right now. If I had to buy one tomorrow I'd go for a used S.

Mine looked good.

Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine.

raverbashing 8y ago
You can have AC on big tents, and I would be surprised if they didn't as your external 40C could easily become dangerous in a literal greenhouse. At least forced ventilation is needed.
- aphextron 8y ago
  >You can have AC on big tents, and I would be surprised if they didn't as your external 40C could easily become dangerous in a literal greenhouse. "The tent doesn’t have air conditioning, according to the city documents." [0] It hit 90 in Fremont yesterday... [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-25/the-future-of-tesla-hinges-on-this-gigantic-tent https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-25/the-futur...
- IshKebab 8y ago
  There was a video linked of the "tent" and the ends are open, so I don't think AC would work.
  - manicdee 8y ago
    The video clearly shows the ends are being closed up.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
donarb 8y ago
Along with blowing dust, pollen, birds, rodents, etc. Factories don't need to be clean roomed like they do for computer chips, but you'd think it would be closed to the outside elements.
RaceWon 8y ago
My question is who R&D's these cars at the limits of adhesion? Every single auto maker track tests their cars using real racing drivers who understand vehicle dynamics and can comfortably drive street cars on the limit, and over it. Track testing ensures a car is safe for the average driver, who has no idea that the throttle steers the back of the car-to give just one example. How will these cars behave when little Jimmy rides his bike in front of them and they have to execute evasive maneuvers? I hope someone who has a clue about driving was seriously involved with the handling characteristics, otherwise who knows how these cars will behave.
- Latteland 8y ago
  come on, that's a silly fear mongering ignorant post. They've had designers and engineers from many other car companies working on their cars and you can see endless pictures and videos of people driving their cars on tracks since even before 2012, when the S first came out.
  - RaceWon 8y ago
    Yes I agree, I don't follow street cars near as close as I do race cars, so I was ignorant and too busy at that time to G it. TBH I am fundamentally adverse to self-driving cars (though I'd love to race against their future counterparts, but alas I'll be too old) but I am not a Musk hater-I find it astonishing that he can land a rocket on a barge. I am happy to hear he sought out expert advice, and now thanks to you, I have to look into that more myself :)
    - Latteland 8y ago
      thanks for your honest answer!
- gameswithgo 8y ago
  https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-professional-driver-time-attack-race/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-professional-driver-...
inferiorhuman 8y ago
> Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine. Well, Musk himself said that the cars being made in the tent are higher quality. > “It does everything that the other assembly lines do but with fewer people, lower labor costs and much higher uptime,” he said. “Our unit cost for vehicles is lower on that line than on the other lines, and we’re seeing higher initial quality.” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/business/tesla-factory-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/business/tesla-factory-mu...
minhazm 8y ago
I think the estimates I saw were a few hundred are being produced in the tents. In any case, the customers are who will deal with any quality issues. If there are issues, Tesla has a track record of making things right for the customer.
- falcolas 8y ago
  If you can afford to wait the 5-7 months during which you may not have your Tesla. You can't even get it repaired on your own dime; the computer inside won't let you.

technofiend 8y ago

That plus the fact that Tesla doesn't have a dealership system to distribute the repair load and parts will be going to new cars if current Tesla owner complaints are any indicator and at least for me there is no way I'd buy a Hail Mary car built in 2018. Give him time to work out reliably making 5k cars per week then sure, but I think you're still somewhat in an early adopter phase buying a Model 3 right now. If I had to buy one tomorrow I'd go for a used S.