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Indeed, I'd never heard of this, which is unfortunate as I've previously tried to find something - anything! - in the void between "not so complex as to be unus

Indeed, I'd never heard of this, which is unfortunate as I've previously tried to find something - anything! - in the void between "not so complex as to be unusable" JIRA and "perfectly simple - too simple" Trello.

liquidise 8y ago
I felt the same woes. My research found Pivotal Tracker and Clubhouse. I'd say the complexity continuum goes Trello -> PT -> CH -> Jira. We chose clubhouse and it has been working well.
- skinnymuch 8y ago
  Clubhouse is amazing. I could never stick to Trello and just didn’t want to use Asana after some time. Clubhouse for software dev even when it’s just me has been great. You also don’t need to use Clubhouse’s “advanced” features and wouldn’t even really feel a burden or like you’re missing out.
- virgil_disgr4ce 8y ago
  Agreed on Clubhouse. Big fan.
lixtra 8y ago
It’s only a reasonable onetime effort to configure Jira to your needs. You can even pay a consultant for that. After that you can use it with your the sweet spot complexity. Or is it just that you don’t like their UI?
- weberc2 8y ago
  “Just” Can’t even make readable bug tickets since preformatted text is broken.
- nicoburns 8y ago
  My biggest complaint with JIRA is it's absolutely woeful performance. 3+ seconds just to open a ticket is ridiculous!
sridharvembu 8y ago
(Disclosure: Zoho CEO here) Have you looked at Zoho Sprints? https://www.zoho.com/sprints/ https://www.zoho.com/sprints/
- solarkraft 8y ago
  HN is a magical place. I like your products.
- DarkStar851 8y ago
  TIL Zoho has an Agile tool. I've been using you guys for mail for years. Awesome products, but too many to count these days. edit: Suggestion, compile that, the bug tracker and a Git repo service into one bundle. It'd definitely sell.
- lovich 8y ago
  This is an aside from the conversation, but did Zoho acquire your Site 24x7 product or build it from the ground up? I enjoy the product a lot but when our IT people first sent us the documentation and accounts I thought I had clicked on the wrong link since the design of Site 24x7's dashboard and the Zoho site seem so different
nicoburns 8y ago
There is Asana, but from what I've heard it's not ideal either. I'm actually fairly seriously considering making my own at this point.
keithnz 8y ago
I use YouTrack, which retains a lot of the power of Jira, but I find nicer, especially multi project planning ( ie it makes it easier for planning when you have people spread across multiple projects ) It's not without its warts though.
jacquesm 8y ago
It's fortunate: you'd be up the creek without a paddle now otherwise.
jazoom 8y ago
If it's for coding this might be what you want: https://clubhouse.io https://clubhouse.io I don't use it since Trello is enough for me, but it looks pretty solid.

liquidise 8y ago

I felt the same woes. My research found Pivotal Tracker and Clubhouse. I'd say the complexity continuum goes Trello -> PT -> CH -> Jira. We chose clubhouse and it has been working well.

skinnymuch 8y ago
Clubhouse is amazing. I could never stick to Trello and just didn’t want to use Asana after some time. Clubhouse for software dev even when it’s just me has been great. You also don’t need to use Clubhouse’s “advanced” features and wouldn’t even really feel a burden or like you’re missing out.
virgil_disgr4ce 8y ago
Agreed on Clubhouse. Big fan.

lixtra 8y ago

It’s only a reasonable onetime effort to configure Jira to your needs. You can even pay a consultant for that. After that you can use it with your the sweet spot complexity. Or is it just that you don’t like their UI?

weberc2 8y ago
“Just” Can’t even make readable bug tickets since preformatted text is broken.
nicoburns 8y ago
My biggest complaint with JIRA is it's absolutely woeful performance. 3+ seconds just to open a ticket is ridiculous!

sridharvembu 8y ago

(Disclosure: Zoho CEO here) Have you looked at Zoho Sprints? https://www.zoho.com/sprints/ https://www.zoho.com/sprints/

solarkraft 8y ago
HN is a magical place. I like your products.
DarkStar851 8y ago
TIL Zoho has an Agile tool. I've been using you guys for mail for years. Awesome products, but too many to count these days. edit: Suggestion, compile that, the bug tracker and a Git repo service into one bundle. It'd definitely sell.
lovich 8y ago
This is an aside from the conversation, but did Zoho acquire your Site 24x7 product or build it from the ground up? I enjoy the product a lot but when our IT people first sent us the documentation and accounts I thought I had clicked on the wrong link since the design of Site 24x7's dashboard and the Zoho site seem so different

nicoburns 8y ago

There is Asana, but from what I've heard it's not ideal either. I'm actually fairly seriously considering making my own at this point.

keithnz 8y ago

I use YouTrack, which retains a lot of the power of Jira, but I find nicer, especially multi project planning ( ie it makes it easier for planning when you have people spread across multiple projects ) It's not without its warts though.

jacquesm 8y ago

It's fortunate: you'd be up the creek without a paddle now otherwise.

jazoom 8y ago

If it's for coding this might be what you want: https://clubhouse.io https://clubhouse.io I don't use it since Trello is enough for me, but it looks pretty solid.