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Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
- NVRM 8y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFjHjm0O5M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFjHjm0O5M
- sbierwagen 8y agoHe spent a fair amount of time bouncing off the rev limiter on the straightaway. Car could have used an eighth gear.
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- arghwhat 8y agoEighth? Slow down there. The car comes with 4, 5 being an add-on package. It could also use more than 52HP. I suspect you might be commenting on the video in the article, rather than this comment with a video of a 1993 Citroën AX 14D. Regarding the Porsche, I doubt it would have been useful. The car maxed out at 369km/h, and was unable to maintain the speed for long. I doubt it has the torque to pull further ahead in an eighth gear. Furthermore, the heavier gearbox would weigh the car down for the entire race, and the shift to eighth would by itself cost the car a little bit of time. It seemed like everything was actually quite well balanced. It was only maxed out for a tiny moment, so it seemed to be the perfect balance between lightweight and brute force.
- sbierwagen 8y agoWhoops. I had assumed the comment with a youtube link and no other commentary was just hosting the youtube video from tfa, rather than posting an entirely unrelated video. How annoying. Far too late to edit or delete my reply, of course.
- kbenson 8y agoThat other video is well worth watching though. Flat-out balls-to-the-wall for the entire length, with no braking, in an old beater. It's impressive.
- arghwhat 8y agoIt's far from entirely unrelated. It's really quite entertaining. But yes, it might be good to click links in the future before assuming what their content may be. As the saying goes, "Don't judge a book by its ISBN."
- lisper 8y agoWhat is that "7 years 30 days" countdown in the lower right hand corner?
- jacquesm 8y agoHah, that's more impressive than what the Porsche did. Pure passion, and nice to see him keep up on some stretches with cars that should have gone much faster.
- jaytaylor 8y agoInfo about the backstory: https://jalopnik.com/this-might-be-the-craziest-lap-of-the-nurburgring-youll-1512419630 https://jalopnik.com/this-might-be-the-craziest-lap-of-the-n... "Observe how he never brakes, even when you're certain he should"
- kbenson 8y agoTo some degree the car shape, type and age, and to some degree the driving style and using the course itself as a way to regulate speed, remind my of Initial D, an older anime series about racing from ~20 years ago.
- baybal2 8y agoThat V4 they have. Quite a remarkable engine. No comparison to the piece of "space age" crap that was Zaporozetz's magnesium alloy V4.
- exar0815 8y agoI have been able to look under the bonnet of this car, this has nothing to do at all with how you imagine a car - pure high tech. And during the race, the complications caused due to the massive Battery force the people around the Race Track for emergency purposes to look like in a weird fetish movie: Rubber Boots, Rubber GLoves, Face masks, huge mats made out of rubber to stand on during rescue... And then seeing this car on the track... mental. I have seen many a great race on the Nordschleife, but that... Holy shit you get a spinal injury just trying to follow that thing flying past.
- maxerickson 8y agoIt would be terrifying to be in the car.
- gthtjtkt 8y agoIt wasn't unbreakable, nobody was trying to break it. Nobody wants to risk multi-million dollar, one-of-a-kind race cars on that track just for bragging rights. An unrestricted F1 car could've smashed the record at any point in the last 20 years.
- danburbridge 8y agoPorsche actually approached Stefan Bellof's family for permission for the attempt out of respect for both him and the record. I wouldn't underestimate the kudos given to 'ring lap times, especially in the past few years. Admittedly mostly focused on lower categories rather than the outright record.
- perl4ever 8y agoI'm not convinced of that. When reading about this, I saw that someone did try a BMW F1 car, and it was pretty fast but not as fast as this Porsche. Then someone estimated the F1 car, unrestricted, could potentially be in the low 5 minute range. Now people in this thread are saying of course a F1 car could beat this record. I would only give it even odds since it sounds like speculation by people who are overly committed to their assumptions. What I find impressive at any rate, is the motorcycle record of barely over 7 minutes.
- cc439 8y agoThe 919 Tribute is actually pretty close to what an "unrestricted" F1 car would look like. Fully enclosed bodywork (which used to be legal in F1 back in the 50's), an unrestricted hybrid system, AWD, and active aero + suspension. In order for an F1 car to beat this unrestricted LMP1 design it would have to wind up looking more like the LMP1 design than the F1 car it started as.
- rurounijones 8y agoThe amount of bouncing around at 300+ kph is terrifying to watch
- grecy 8y agoI have been daydreaming lately about how the Tesla Roadster 2 should be easily able to take the record around the ring for a production car. I'm hoping it will smash the record.
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- milesokeefe 8y agoRimac’s Concept Two is a also a contender, I’ll be interested to see which ends up on top - the concept two beats the roadster 2 by a hair on 0-60 and 0-100 but lags behind in quarter mile. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimac_C_Two https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimac_C_Two
- anxiouspete 8y agoUnless Tesla can get the weight down of the Roadster 2 it doesn't have a chance beating the GT2-RS or the Huracan Perfomante.
- maxxxxx 8y agoI don't see in what area it should have an advantage over a car with a gas engine.
- xutopia 8y agoThis car that just beat the record is a hybrid and it was capable of improving accelerations out of curves due to direct torque. I'm doubtful a roadster could do anywhere close to this car's speed around the track but I'm convinced an all electric car could break this record. We might even see it happen with a self-driving electric car in the next few years.
- maxxxxx 8y agoVW just beat the Pikes Peak record with an all electric car but that was mainly because gas engines lose power at altitude. Personally I think for the time being gas engines will still be superior because they weigh less compared to batteries. I think there is a good chance that an electric car will beat the record but that will be more for PR reasons than technical merit.
- kirse 8y agoComically fast, like video-game-I-can-just-hit-restart fast. A couple highlights of that YouTube video from sections of the track that are notoriously difficult: [YouTube Time] 00:49 -> 00:53 - Flugplatz at nearly 170mph is insane. Total trust in downforce and makes up many seconds if done right. 01:13 -> 01:25 - Fuchsrohre bottoming out at 200+ mph is nuts. 03:15 -> 03:20 - Interesting that Timo avoids the carousel. 04:21 -> 04:31 - Pflanzgarten into SBS topping at nearly 200mph. Suspension setup is huge here. List of the sections: http://www.nuerburgring.de/en/fans-info/race-tracks/nordschleife/sections-of-the-track.html http://www.nuerburgring.de/en/fans-info/race-tracks/nordschl... Nobody in motorsports really thought Bellof's record was unbreakable, just that it was left intact out of respect and the obvious conclusion that any mfr could crush it if they so desired. The 919 Evo holds the Spa Record because the F1 record was done under all sorts of homologation restrictions. A sub-5 Ring time would easily be possible with a non-homologated F1 car similar to this unrestricted 919. Still eagerly awaiting VW's Pike's Peak video. This has been the year of toppling track records!
- forapurpose 8y agoKnowing nothing about this subject, I'm a bit confused by the parent: The first section talks about how incredible the performance is - "comically fast", "nuts", etc. The second to last paragraph seems to say that it is easily done. Would you explain to easily confused, non-car-racing-enthusiasts? EDIT: In fact, I should ask: What is the significance of Nurburgring?
- blattimwind 8y ago> What is the significance of Nurburgring? It's both old and good. Almost a century of racing, setting and breaking records went down on it. (Also you can drive on it yourself w/ your own car).
- sandworm101 8y agoIt is also not a tiny circuit with only a handful of corners. It is harder to tune a car for nurburgring than a nascar oval. So the theory goes that nurburgring results are more representative of overall (realworld) performance.
- Theodores 8y agoAs the years go by the Nürburgring gets ever more legendary. It is better known now than when they hosted F1 races on the smaller circuit they have there. You could imagine it was designed by sick Nazis to kill racing drivers however it predates max-Nazi-ism and was designed for testing cars, not drivers. Hence tomorrow everyone will have forgotten who got the fastest lap but they will remember what car they were in.
- Animats 8y agoYou could imagine it was designed by sick Nazis to kill racing drivers There's a James Bond book about that.[1] [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U1ZV63Y https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U1ZV63Y
- pwaai 8y ago5:19 almost seems impossible. I think we will see sub 5 minutes within the next 5 years at this rate. It seems like Lamborghini just gave up in a dick measuring contest. Nurburgring is Porsche's home turf. German's aren't outwardly nationalistic but they take a lot of pride and result orientated bunch. Also ironic that Lambo is practically an Audi. I will buy a porsche instead of a Lambo, this type of effort just shows to me Porsche deserves my money (Sorry Audi). I am so crazy about cars that I am emigrating to Germany to be closer to the Nurburgring.... Will my 18 years of Gran Turismo on the Playstation finally pay off irl? I'm gonna start with a cheap JDM and then after I get really good (at least 100+ laps), I'm gonna buy a porsche RS and finally live the Deutsche Dream.
- jacquesm 8y agoIf you think Gran Turismo on a Playstation is preparation for driving a Porsche RS in anger then you probably should up your life insurance. Better go to a real driving school first (not one of those 'experience' things, an actual school), you'll be very happy that you did.
- pwaai 8y agoI do not.
- myrandomcomment 8y agoStart here. http://www.dreamracing.com/ http://www.dreamracing.com/ Once you can handle the Porsche 911 GT Race Car then maybe..
- pwaai 8y agoDanke!
- bitL 8y agoLamborghini=Audi=Bugatti=Bentley=Porsche=Italdesign=Skoda=Seat=Cupra=VW, with various levels of independence.
- djhworld 8y agoPeople are downplaying this saying well the track has changed, the asphalt has been relaid, the conditions are different, of course someone could beat that time. I see it as, Porsche have just laid down a new benchmark to beat
- bertjk 8y agoI would love to see how fast this can be done by a customized self driving car. (think: full knowledge of track geometries, of its own physical specifications, etc..)
- IshKebab 8y agoWell there's the driverless race series that they've been promising for a while so hopefully will know fairly soon.
- punchclockhero 8y agoIt might be just what motorsport needs these days. No meatbag in the car removes a lot of limitations introduced for safety reasons, so more exciting race types can be introduced, both old (group B rally, anyone?) and new. Benefits for consumer self driving tech are just gravy.
- RaceWon 8y agoShe's not even a racing driver much less a world class racer (and like all sports there is a HUGE difference between a participant and one of the Worlds' best. The same holds true for top-shelf racers; they are Not paid millions a year because they are brave, they are paid because of their skill) and she beat this car. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4FJilePPU" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4FJilePPU"
- tzahola 8y agoNot bad, but this is still my all time fav Nürburgring lap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMCfPASImQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMCfPASImQ
- KozmoNau7 8y agoI knew exactly which video you were referring to, before clicking the link. Absolutely mental driving.
- sxates 8y agoOh wow. At first with the way he was thrashing around I thought he was some kind of idiot. But the fact that he didn't die makes me think maybe he's actually some kind of driving god.
- justin66 8y agoHe was a brilliant driver in a car he had a lot of experience with. (IIRC he was a Ruf test driver) That was an amazing car with just far too much power in relation to how much traction it had, hence the sliding around and constant recovery from sliding around. A 500hp twin-turbo motor in a modified narrow-body 911 chassis without the super wide tires in the rear like you'd see on an older, wide-body factory Porsche 911 turbo. (they opted for low weight and better aero over traction) That video makes other Nurburgring videos look a little tame by comparison. The car held the (street car) record on that track for a while.
- stevekemp 8y agoFor some reason my favourite was always watching Sabine Schmitz trying to drive a transit van in under ten minutes. Part two is the one to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC03_wVjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC03_wVjc
- zoom6628 8y agoHUGE!
- AngryData 8y agoNobody thought it was unbreakable, just people stopped using the increasingly faster cars on the track because it is dangerous as fuck. I mean just watch the video of it, I wouldn't be going that fast in a video game on that track because it would be so damn easy to fuck up and crash.