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Ask HN: Dealing with insults from older, less capable marketing hire?
Hi guys,
I'm a semi-regular at HN, and dealing with something I haven't had to before at work -- I need some advice.
I'm a board member and CTO at a tech company that I co-founded. I've founded and sold (as CEO) a few companies in the last 10 years, and I'm in my mid-30s.
We recently hired a 50 something marketing guy; not my preferred hire based on his skills (mostly mid-size business, no tech, no startups). We've been in an uneasy detente since he joined; his first act was to tell me to change our domain name -- mine was to mail him back and tell him he needed to work with me and show some respect, to start by not demanding I do low skill tech jobs.
I work remotely, he works with in the same office as the CEO... You can imagine where the story goes from here. He recently asked for a 3x bump in his stock allocation and suggested that his salary be pegged to mine. I told him that it was absolutely not possible on the equity side, it was out of market rates for his job, and that we already had an agreement on these things.
Since then it's been sulking, complaining, etc. He pulled out a real winner today when he said in a management meeting that we shouldn't show customers our new product for feedback because that's what Commodore did and then they went broke.
I interrupted (see, I'm not blameless here!), and said it wasn't Commodore. He said it was, I offered to make him a gentlemanly bet, and he responded "you were in diapers."
My co-founder watched in bemusement.
I've made my case that I think this guy is not worth the pay and trouble internally with the CEO; while he's not a key hire, I certainly am. I have no idea what the company would do without me, but I'm getting to a point where I think that life is just too short to put up with schmucks who are rude and intimidated by a younger, significantly more successful player in their space.
Since I'm remote, I clearly am going to be at a political disadvantage, and I'm not sure how to proceed:
Here's my working list right now:
1) Let this guy sink his own ship by cutting all internal support out from under him -- he thinks he's so good; he can prove it.
2) Trash him on the board, and try and get some motivation to find a better fit.
3) Have a heart to heart with the CEO and tell him I'll be on my way soonishly unless this guy shapes up.
All these have some obvious drawbacks; I need the income in the near-term, so I can't threaten to walk immediately, nor do I wish to leave the company our customers, or my co-founder in that situation, as it would certainly jeopardize our fundraising.
Both 1 and 2 are just different politics angles, something I absolutely hate, and a large part of the reason I'm in the startup game.
I would not personally allow a management team to bicker and insult each other as CEO, but I'm not in charge here, so I'm stuck to my own devices.
Okay HN, pay me back with advice! I could certainly use it. Thanks in advance.
- bobds 16y agoDefinitely talk with the CEO. Tell him how you feel about the marketing guy but skip the "fix it or I'm out of here" ultimatum.
- HN_adv_seeker 16y agoThis would be a sort of first step conversation to make sure we're on the same page is the idea, yes?
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- ddemchuk 16y agoLet him go? You aren't obligated to employ anyone
- HN_adv_seeker 16y agoMy thoughts are along these lines. The CEO's thoughts -- not so much.
- roedog 16y agoIt seems that the disadvantage to being remote is serious. I would consider step 3, a heart to heart, with some fact gathering beforehand. For example, who else sees this guy for the schmuck he is? Can you recruit some allies who are in the office every day? How far has he cozied up to the CEO?
- hga 16y agoThis may be key; right now it's clear that your perceptions of the guy and the CEO's are very different. And the CEO does not have (enough of) a problem with this guy attacking and undermining you. I wonder how important the CEO really views you to be. I don't see much alternative to playing the political game or deciding that you won't/can't and getting out. I know from very harsh personal experience that no matter how important to the company you are as a techie, others may not see it that way and let you leave/push you out, even though that then kills the company. A lot of it depends on the character of the other players and your personal relationships with them. Their not having reigned in this tremendously disrespectful guy says a whole lot to me, none of it good. Their inability to tell that he's a dud in important area (e.g. why are we still arguing stealth mode???) says a lot as well. Or let's put it this way: if they can't see that he's bad, what makes you think they can see that you're good? Final note: if you're small enough, you can't let this drag on too long. A single bad hire like this can be enough to kill a company; not just because of the mistakes he makes but because such companies don't have the reserves (time, motivation, energy, etc.) to deal with the whole mess.