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I up-voted you, but I don’t believe the author is making a claim any different than your own. The title may be hyperbole, but the point is that RIM shouldn’t an

I up-voted you, but I don’t believe the author is making a claim any different than your own. The title may be hyperbole, but the point is that RIM shouldn’t announce a device if it isn’t done. As many others have noted in previous threads of this discussion, RIM seems desperate, and they (along with the customers they are clearly trying to keep from adopting iPads) have a good deal to lose if the final version doesn’t live up to the hype based on such limited details.

joezydeco 16y ago
I wonder how many corporate IT departments are starting to look at iPad a bit too close for RIM's comfort. Time to drop a little FUD into the mix.
- angstrom 16y ago
  Corporate IT? Hell, most managers have already gone out and bought themselves one.
  - megablast 16y ago
    Managers are one thing, getting everyone in the company is the next step, and a lot larger number of orders.
    - jufemaiz 16y ago
      Apple's Enterprise Management tools are headed into this space. RIM + Microsoft should be very concerned about Apple as much as Android based devices.
    - deleted 16y ago
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wallflower 16y ago
> the point is that RIM shouldn’t announce a device if it isn’t done "Real artists ship, dabblers create concept products Pretenders don’t quite understand that design is born of constraints. Real-life constraints, be they tangible or cognitive... Concept products are like essays, musings in 3D. They are incomplete promises. Shipping products, by contrast, are brutally honest deliveries. You get what’s delivered. They live and die by their own design constraints. To the extent they are successful, they do advance the art and science of design and manufacturing by exposing the balance between fantasy and capability." http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/ http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/
halo 16y ago
I find it amusing that your idea of a company being desperate must lie somewhere between Apple announcing the iPhone six months before release and RIM announcing the Playbook nine months before release.
- swombat 16y ago
  IIRC, Apple had real iPhones already working at that date, they just needed to clear FCC regulations, which took 6 months. Since they were going to submit a public application to the FCC anyway, it made sense to announce the iPhone first.
  - algolicious 16y ago
    Nope, Apple had theirs behind glass as well. http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/video-iphone-in-person-behind-glass/ http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/video-iphone-in-person-be...
    - sahaj 16y ago
      they also did an actual demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhG6LggOQU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhG6LggOQU
      - swombat 16y ago
        Yep, with a camera over his shoulder showing that this isn't fake.
rbanffy 16y ago
> the point is that RIM shouldn’t announce a device if it isn’t done Great idea. They would, then, launch a new product without a single software title written for it. Until now, I think most products written for QNX have more to deal with heavy machinery than with cell phones. They are moving their entire line to QNX. They need to get developers started right now and letting them know they will have to target it is a very good start. The next step would be to release SDKs that include emulators. That should happen before they show final hardware.

joezydeco 16y ago

I wonder how many corporate IT departments are starting to look at iPad a bit too close for RIM's comfort. Time to drop a little FUD into the mix.

angstrom 16y ago
Corporate IT? Hell, most managers have already gone out and bought themselves one.
- megablast 16y ago
  Managers are one thing, getting everyone in the company is the next step, and a lot larger number of orders.
  - jufemaiz 16y ago
    Apple's Enterprise Management tools are headed into this space. RIM + Microsoft should be very concerned about Apple as much as Android based devices.
  - deleted 16y ago
    [deleted]

wallflower 16y ago

> the point is that RIM shouldn’t announce a device if it isn’t done "Real artists ship, dabblers create concept products Pretenders don’t quite understand that design is born of constraints. Real-life constraints, be they tangible or cognitive... Concept products are like essays, musings in 3D. They are incomplete promises. Shipping products, by contrast, are brutally honest deliveries. You get what’s delivered. They live and die by their own design constraints. To the extent they are successful, they do advance the art and science of design and manufacturing by exposing the balance between fantasy and capability." http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/ http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/

halo 16y ago

I find it amusing that your idea of a company being desperate must lie somewhere between Apple announcing the iPhone six months before release and RIM announcing the Playbook nine months before release.

swombat 16y ago
IIRC, Apple had real iPhones already working at that date, they just needed to clear FCC regulations, which took 6 months. Since they were going to submit a public application to the FCC anyway, it made sense to announce the iPhone first.
- algolicious 16y ago
  Nope, Apple had theirs behind glass as well. http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/video-iphone-in-person-behind-glass/ http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/video-iphone-in-person-be...
  - sahaj 16y ago
    they also did an actual demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhG6LggOQU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhG6LggOQU
    - swombat 16y ago
      Yep, with a camera over his shoulder showing that this isn't fake.

rbanffy 16y ago

> the point is that RIM shouldn’t announce a device if it isn’t done Great idea. They would, then, launch a new product without a single software title written for it. Until now, I think most products written for QNX have more to deal with heavy machinery than with cell phones. They are moving their entire line to QNX. They need to get developers started right now and letting them know they will have to target it is a very good start. The next step would be to release SDKs that include emulators. That should happen before they show final hardware.