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I just don't like anything with 'stoned' effect. Pot, too much alcohol, ketamine.. I can`t find the point in being stoned or to lower my thinking capabilities.

by ssijak 8y ago

I just don't like anything with 'stoned' effect. Pot, too much alcohol, ketamine.. I can`t find the point in being stoned or to lower my thinking capabilities. Stronger opiates I would never ever try because there is no point besides running away from some problem that should be confronted. With the help of psychedelics maybe? :)

manmal 8y ago
Cannabidiol then? Extracts usually have less than 1% of THC content, and its effects are downright marvelous. I doubt though that the effect on the brain is comparable to the one the OP study observed..
jackric 8y ago
My experience is not lowered thinking abilities, but different thinking abilities. If you conceptualize thinking as traversing a graph of thoughts, 'uppers' enhance depth-first traversal, THC enhances breadth-first traversal. This can be a useful mode for generating ideas.
- sieabahlpark 8y ago
  What type of mix even is that?
  - thecupisblue 8y ago
    Good one IMO. Well, depends on the strain of the weed. Indica opens up the localhost and I get to explore a lot and introspect. Sativa's focus me on one thing and I roll my brain all around that thing's area and can produce a ton of code. Other uppers get me thinking about something in depth. Uppers and electronic music in a crowd at 3-4 AM get me focused more than anything.
    - vlan0 8y ago
      >Sativa's focus me on one thing and I roll my brain all around that thing's area and can produce a ton of code. I can relate to this. Pure sativa and some sativa leaning hybrids have a very similar effect to adderall when treating my ADD.
  - krageon 8y ago
    That sort of question is highly personal. I've heard many, many people espousing the virtues of some strain of weed or other (eg claiming it helps you think and doesn't make you fall asleep so much) but I've never actually found one that doesn't primarily make me sleepy. I do have access to an enormous variety to try (and I've definitely done my due diligence, so to speak). This has led me to believe that for some people, some strains work differently than for others. This meshes well with my observation that everyone seems to have different recommendations.
    - darkerside 8y ago
      I wonder if it could be a dosing issue? That said, everyone's brain is different.
      - krageon 8y ago
        I've tried it with tinctures as well as a host of other things. A tincture is nice because it allows for fairly exact dosing, but for me it appears to range from "0 effect" to "some effect, and that effect is drowsy" all the way up to "you're going to sleep now".
        acct1771 8y ago
        Combine with a coffee/soda?
    - rorykoehler 8y ago
      Have you tried it with your morning coffee (or whatever your morning routine is)?
      - krageon 8y ago
        Yes, and it still makes me drowsy :)
    - skate22 8y ago
      Less is more in my opinion. Heavy indica strains will make you sleepy though
  - Uberphallus 8y ago
    Depends on the person, but for me combining them causes an important increase in anxiety, if you try cut in half the dose of both to be safe. Cannabis when coming down from amphetamines is a different story though.
- rusk 8y ago
  > traversing a graph of thoughts, 'uppers' enhance depth-first traversal, Interesting characterisation. I used to describe it to myself as "opening up 127.0.0.1" - i.e. it enabled a level of introspection that had never come naturally to me. I guess I was studying that stuff at the time so it was salient, and the metaphor was readily available.
- Angostura 8y ago
  > My experience is not lowered thinking abilities, but different thinking abilities. And when I'm drunk I become an incredibly good singer. ... of course the people around me, strongly disagree. But I know better. Might it be the same with your 'different' thinking?
  - thefounder 8y ago
    What about dancing? I know for sure that I become an extreamly good dancer when I get drunk :) not to mention my irresistible charm. That's just until the next day when I'm told how pathetic the whole thing was :)
  - jackric 8y ago
    Yes, if I was waffling on about how like, socialism could totally work man. But I'm talking about: - coming up with recursive solutions in software for simplicity gains - noticing and fixing inefficient item placement in my kitchen - understanding a conflict from the other person's perspective, to reduce my tension
- gr__or 8y ago
  Ha, that's exactly how I describe it to people! And with psychedelics you can traverse the graph upwards, deconstructing all branches you pass on your way.
AngryData 8y ago
There are some medical strains that are purposefully bred to have the least amount of 'high'. And also sounds like a problem of overdosing, if you have trouble concentrating or thinking you likely took in more than a few times more than you actually needed which is very easy to do without tolerance combined with modern weed. One hit of high-quality shit these days will put entire joints from the past to shame. Also there are more than a few people who have a hyper-sensitivity to weed which can make it worse.
pmoriarty 8y ago
I feel it enhances my creativity, makes me appreciate the world around me more, makes music and food more enjoyable, makes movies more interesting, makes me more interested in doing something artistic or musical and be more involved in doing those things when I do them. Sex can also be amazing on it. When I've used it, I've also confronted things, thought about things, and remembered things I would have avoided in ordinary life. So I've really felt it to be therapeutic, especially at stronger doses, and especially when ingested rather than smoked. A lot of people don't realize this, but ingestion of larger doses can often have a psychedelic-like effect (perhaps not so much with the visuals, but emotionally and cognitively, there are some similarities). That said, I don't like to do it a lot (as I don't want to get addicted), I tend to prefer small doses rather than getting stoned out of my gourd, and I try do do it only with positive, constructive intention rather than just to have fun or get blitzed for no reason other than boredom. I generally prefer to do something creative on it, or maybe go to a museum where it enhances my appreciation of what I see and learn, and gives me a much greater feeling of immersion.
- phillysnoodle 8y ago
  That's exactly where I want to be with that. Thanks for giving me a vision to work for!
- Broken_Hippo 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure that pot is not an addictive substance. Quitting pot is easier than quitting caffeine. Heavy smokers sober up quite often for job drug tests, for example. I've personally smoked for years and just quit for a while. Some things get a little off because of habit changing: A few days of decreased appetite and a bit of insomnia. The hardest part is dealing with the boredom I get at first. I simply don't want to do some things, and then I also start seriously hating some other things I just did. Like cleaning house. I hate cleaning house, but simply just dislike it when I'm smoking regularly. I eat less healthy without the stuff as well because food enjoyment is different. But really, quitting is just a bit of a bother even after doing it for years. If you mix it with tobacco, you might be getting tobacco withdrawals... which can be fixed with smoking (Not the healthiest thing, but I do it). It is a habit, not an addiction. I've known a few folks that have issues quitting - each and every one of these folks I've known have had underlying mental health or physical health issues that were partially self-treated with smoking. I'm not really advocating daily use, but I'm not against it either. I just don't want people thinking they'll be horribly addicted in the same manner as nicotine, alcohol, or even caffeine.
toomanybeersies 8y ago
I've always enjoyed any of the above substances (except opiates) specifically because they lower your thinking abilities. Sometimes it's nice to get fucked up and give your brain an even off from over-analysing everything. Of course, drinking, smoking, or snorting your problems away isn't a good idea. That's how you form a habit. But if you're in a good frame of mind, it's nice to lose your shit every once in a while. Also, ketamine (in higher doses) is a psychedelic. Being in a K hole is a unique experience.
- acct1771 8y ago
  It's also pretty dangerous. Ketamine is very valuable, but not to be trifled with, reader.
  - atomical 8y ago
    Ketamine is one of the safest, cheapest drugs on the market. It is even used on babies because it doesn't suppress respiration.
rusk 8y ago
I actually see this as beneficial in a couple of ways. - it's very hard to "self talk" yourself into doing things you don't really want to do - things you do want to do draw an intense level of focus so you get deeper into them - yeah it can make you a little sloppy but you learn from these mistakes and they sometimes lead to serendipitous accidental discoveries - it can cause you to take a no-nonsense expedient approach that can sometimes be better That said, when you're back in normality again you can sometimes be left scratching your head wondering how you came up with that, or how it even works!
- bladecatcher 8y ago
  That's very dangerous advice. These substances can warp you mind in irrecoverable ways. Plenty of people also end up in asylums and ER
  - rusk 8y ago
    I'm not giving advice? I'm describing an experience. Which substances are you talking about because I'm talking about Cannabis. The idea that somebody could end up in an ER for smoking weed is laughably remote.
    - bladecatcher 8y ago
      >> Which substances are you talking about because I'm talking about Cannabis I see. That might be true in most cases, but even Cannabis can have adverse effects on people with predisposition to mental illnesses
      - rusk 8y ago
        Yeah, sure. And water can cause drowning or severe burns when in gaseous form.
      - Broken_Hippo 8y ago
        So can getting married, having children, going to college, financial stress, alcohol, and a slew of other things. That doesn't mean that we should make all of these things illegal. To me, it means that we should be upfront and honest about this - but it is going to take some work since we've used scare tactics and misinformation for so long.
bengale 8y ago
Thats sort of the aim for me, just to get the thinker to shut the hell up so I can sit and listen to some music.
GrumpyNl 8y ago
Thats very, very short sighted. The stoned effect has brought us great things and its not about, running away from things.
throwahey 8y ago
I think much like alcohol it's very easy to dose in excess with cannabis. I'm not sure how many people recognize that cannabis is incredibly effective even at small doses. These days, I take one hit in the morning and then just move on. The dose is low enough that I don't feel sluggish during or after, but still enough that I feel up and "high". I think cannabis is invaluable in medicine, but I do think the culture around it, much like alcohol, has pushed using an excess and treating is as a party drug rather than medicine.
fapjacks 8y ago
I really hate being stoned. Really, really hate being stoned. But man, I love being high! You don't have to get stoned smoking weed anymore than you have to get drunk drinking beer. A gram of cannabis can last me a week. And some of my best work in programming and every one of my hobbies comes out of that cerebral sweet spot I get from only smoking a little bit of bud. It helps if you avoid indica strains and stick to sativas, as indicas are known for their heavier couch-lock and sativas for the cerebral high. Also, I need to put this urban legend to rest. The most common mistake people make about recreational drug use is that drug users fit a universal stereotype. Not every recreational drug user is an addict escaping their problems. I would actually say that addicts are a vanishingly small minority of drug users. Nobody would say that everyone who ever drinks a beer is an alcoholic running away from their lives, and it's the same situation with recreational drug users.

by ssijak 8y ago

manmal 8y ago

Cannabidiol then? Extracts usually have less than 1% of THC content, and its effects are downright marvelous. I doubt though that the effect on the brain is comparable to the one the OP study observed..

jackric 8y ago

My experience is not lowered thinking abilities, but different thinking abilities. If you conceptualize thinking as traversing a graph of thoughts, 'uppers' enhance depth-first traversal, THC enhances breadth-first traversal. This can be a useful mode for generating ideas.

sieabahlpark 8y ago
What type of mix even is that?
- thecupisblue 8y ago
  Good one IMO. Well, depends on the strain of the weed. Indica opens up the localhost and I get to explore a lot and introspect. Sativa's focus me on one thing and I roll my brain all around that thing's area and can produce a ton of code. Other uppers get me thinking about something in depth. Uppers and electronic music in a crowd at 3-4 AM get me focused more than anything.
  - vlan0 8y ago
    >Sativa's focus me on one thing and I roll my brain all around that thing's area and can produce a ton of code. I can relate to this. Pure sativa and some sativa leaning hybrids have a very similar effect to adderall when treating my ADD.
- krageon 8y ago
  That sort of question is highly personal. I've heard many, many people espousing the virtues of some strain of weed or other (eg claiming it helps you think and doesn't make you fall asleep so much) but I've never actually found one that doesn't primarily make me sleepy. I do have access to an enormous variety to try (and I've definitely done my due diligence, so to speak). This has led me to believe that for some people, some strains work differently than for others. This meshes well with my observation that everyone seems to have different recommendations.
  - darkerside 8y ago
    I wonder if it could be a dosing issue? That said, everyone's brain is different.
    - krageon 8y ago
      I've tried it with tinctures as well as a host of other things. A tincture is nice because it allows for fairly exact dosing, but for me it appears to range from "0 effect" to "some effect, and that effect is drowsy" all the way up to "you're going to sleep now".
      - acct1771 8y ago
        Combine with a coffee/soda?
  - rorykoehler 8y ago
    Have you tried it with your morning coffee (or whatever your morning routine is)?
    - krageon 8y ago
      Yes, and it still makes me drowsy :)
  - skate22 8y ago
    Less is more in my opinion. Heavy indica strains will make you sleepy though
- Uberphallus 8y ago
  Depends on the person, but for me combining them causes an important increase in anxiety, if you try cut in half the dose of both to be safe. Cannabis when coming down from amphetamines is a different story though.
rusk 8y ago
> traversing a graph of thoughts, 'uppers' enhance depth-first traversal, Interesting characterisation. I used to describe it to myself as "opening up 127.0.0.1" - i.e. it enabled a level of introspection that had never come naturally to me. I guess I was studying that stuff at the time so it was salient, and the metaphor was readily available.
Angostura 8y ago
> My experience is not lowered thinking abilities, but different thinking abilities. And when I'm drunk I become an incredibly good singer. ... of course the people around me, strongly disagree. But I know better. Might it be the same with your 'different' thinking?
- thefounder 8y ago
  What about dancing? I know for sure that I become an extreamly good dancer when I get drunk :) not to mention my irresistible charm. That's just until the next day when I'm told how pathetic the whole thing was :)
- jackric 8y ago
  Yes, if I was waffling on about how like, socialism could totally work man. But I'm talking about: - coming up with recursive solutions in software for simplicity gains - noticing and fixing inefficient item placement in my kitchen - understanding a conflict from the other person's perspective, to reduce my tension
gr__or 8y ago
Ha, that's exactly how I describe it to people! And with psychedelics you can traverse the graph upwards, deconstructing all branches you pass on your way.

AngryData 8y ago

There are some medical strains that are purposefully bred to have the least amount of 'high'. And also sounds like a problem of overdosing, if you have trouble concentrating or thinking you likely took in more than a few times more than you actually needed which is very easy to do without tolerance combined with modern weed. One hit of high-quality shit these days will put entire joints from the past to shame. Also there are more than a few people who have a hyper-sensitivity to weed which can make it worse.

pmoriarty 8y ago

I feel it enhances my creativity, makes me appreciate the world around me more, makes music and food more enjoyable, makes movies more interesting, makes me more interested in doing something artistic or musical and be more involved in doing those things when I do them. Sex can also be amazing on it. When I've used it, I've also confronted things, thought about things, and remembered things I would have avoided in ordinary life. So I've really felt it to be therapeutic, especially at stronger doses, and especially when ingested rather than smoked. A lot of people don't realize this, but ingestion of larger doses can often have a psychedelic-like effect (perhaps not so much with the visuals, but emotionally and cognitively, there are some similarities). That said, I don't like to do it a lot (as I don't want to get addicted), I tend to prefer small doses rather than getting stoned out of my gourd, and I try do do it only with positive, constructive intention rather than just to have fun or get blitzed for no reason other than boredom. I generally prefer to do something creative on it, or maybe go to a museum where it enhances my appreciation of what I see and learn, and gives me a much greater feeling of immersion.

phillysnoodle 8y ago
That's exactly where I want to be with that. Thanks for giving me a vision to work for!
Broken_Hippo 8y ago
I'm pretty sure that pot is not an addictive substance. Quitting pot is easier than quitting caffeine. Heavy smokers sober up quite often for job drug tests, for example. I've personally smoked for years and just quit for a while. Some things get a little off because of habit changing: A few days of decreased appetite and a bit of insomnia. The hardest part is dealing with the boredom I get at first. I simply don't want to do some things, and then I also start seriously hating some other things I just did. Like cleaning house. I hate cleaning house, but simply just dislike it when I'm smoking regularly. I eat less healthy without the stuff as well because food enjoyment is different. But really, quitting is just a bit of a bother even after doing it for years. If you mix it with tobacco, you might be getting tobacco withdrawals... which can be fixed with smoking (Not the healthiest thing, but I do it). It is a habit, not an addiction. I've known a few folks that have issues quitting - each and every one of these folks I've known have had underlying mental health or physical health issues that were partially self-treated with smoking. I'm not really advocating daily use, but I'm not against it either. I just don't want people thinking they'll be horribly addicted in the same manner as nicotine, alcohol, or even caffeine.

toomanybeersies 8y ago

I've always enjoyed any of the above substances (except opiates) specifically because they lower your thinking abilities. Sometimes it's nice to get fucked up and give your brain an even off from over-analysing everything. Of course, drinking, smoking, or snorting your problems away isn't a good idea. That's how you form a habit. But if you're in a good frame of mind, it's nice to lose your shit every once in a while. Also, ketamine (in higher doses) is a psychedelic. Being in a K hole is a unique experience.

acct1771 8y ago
It's also pretty dangerous. Ketamine is very valuable, but not to be trifled with, reader.
- atomical 8y ago
  Ketamine is one of the safest, cheapest drugs on the market. It is even used on babies because it doesn't suppress respiration.

rusk 8y ago

I actually see this as beneficial in a couple of ways. - it's very hard to "self talk" yourself into doing things you don't really want to do - things you do want to do draw an intense level of focus so you get deeper into them - yeah it can make you a little sloppy but you learn from these mistakes and they sometimes lead to serendipitous accidental discoveries - it can cause you to take a no-nonsense expedient approach that can sometimes be better That said, when you're back in normality again you can sometimes be left scratching your head wondering how you came up with that, or how it even works!

bladecatcher 8y ago
That's very dangerous advice. These substances can warp you mind in irrecoverable ways. Plenty of people also end up in asylums and ER
- rusk 8y ago
  I'm not giving advice? I'm describing an experience. Which substances are you talking about because I'm talking about Cannabis. The idea that somebody could end up in an ER for smoking weed is laughably remote.
  - bladecatcher 8y ago
    >> Which substances are you talking about because I'm talking about Cannabis I see. That might be true in most cases, but even Cannabis can have adverse effects on people with predisposition to mental illnesses
    - rusk 8y ago
      Yeah, sure. And water can cause drowning or severe burns when in gaseous form.
    - Broken_Hippo 8y ago
      So can getting married, having children, going to college, financial stress, alcohol, and a slew of other things. That doesn't mean that we should make all of these things illegal. To me, it means that we should be upfront and honest about this - but it is going to take some work since we've used scare tactics and misinformation for so long.

bengale 8y ago

Thats sort of the aim for me, just to get the thinker to shut the hell up so I can sit and listen to some music.

GrumpyNl 8y ago

Thats very, very short sighted. The stoned effect has brought us great things and its not about, running away from things.

throwahey 8y ago

I think much like alcohol it's very easy to dose in excess with cannabis. I'm not sure how many people recognize that cannabis is incredibly effective even at small doses. These days, I take one hit in the morning and then just move on. The dose is low enough that I don't feel sluggish during or after, but still enough that I feel up and "high". I think cannabis is invaluable in medicine, but I do think the culture around it, much like alcohol, has pushed using an excess and treating is as a party drug rather than medicine.

fapjacks 8y ago

I really hate being stoned. Really, really hate being stoned. But man, I love being high! You don't have to get stoned smoking weed anymore than you have to get drunk drinking beer. A gram of cannabis can last me a week. And some of my best work in programming and every one of my hobbies comes out of that cerebral sweet spot I get from only smoking a little bit of bud. It helps if you avoid indica strains and stick to sativas, as indicas are known for their heavier couch-lock and sativas for the cerebral high. Also, I need to put this urban legend to rest. The most common mistake people make about recreational drug use is that drug users fit a universal stereotype. Not every recreational drug user is an addict escaping their problems. I would actually say that addicts are a vanishingly small minority of drug users. Nobody would say that everyone who ever drinks a beer is an alcoholic running away from their lives, and it's the same situation with recreational drug users.