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U.S. lawmakers want Google to reconsider links to China's Huawei

53 points by vthallam 8y ago

gressquel 8y ago
excellent, the communist copycats needs to be stopped once and for all.
- dang 8y ago
  Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
pkaye 8y ago
I agree after the disaster that was the Nexus 6P. After one year the $500 phone proceeds to boot loop. Huawei says they can't do anything because they ran out of replacement parts. Soon after my spouses 6P does the same. Out $1000. Luckily my credit card warranty paid me back the full amount. I'll never buy Huawei products again.
- supermatt 8y ago
  Sorry for your story but it’s not related in the slightest
- blacksmith_tb 8y ago
  Certainly frustrating, though my 6P is working nicely still, so I have a generally better impression of Huawei, I suppose. As long as I can unlock the bootloader, I'll probably choose Xiaomi for my next phone.
alexbeloi 8y ago
“While we regret that Google did not want to continue a long and fruitful tradition of collaboration between the military and technology companies, we are even more disappointed that Google apparently is more willing to support the Chinese Communist Party than the U.S. military,” they[0] wrote. [0] The letter was signed by Republican Senators Tom Cotton and Marco Rubio, Republican Representatives Michael Conaway and Liz Cheney, and Democratic Representative Dutch Ruppersberger.
- mindslight 8y ago
  Haha, these shitheads are still trying to beat that long-dead horse. Good luck! While you can compel the public to fund your wars and other mayhem through taxation, you can't compel our mindshare. While you can keep fooling the ersatz-patriotism choir into thinking you're the good guys, you can't convince the community that's actually building the future. And while you will eventually be able to compel the surveillance companies into doing your bidding, we'll build new things that remove them from our lives as well.
- sremani 8y ago
  They are more impatient than I thought. This is meant to be read between the lines. I would be amazed if some Google exec is not already on his/her way to D.C. to meet the esteemed Senators.
throwawayjava 8y ago
> “While we regret that Google did not want to continue a long and fruitful tradition of collaboration between the military and technology companies, we are even more disappointed that Google apparently is more willing to support the Chinese Communist Party than the U.S. military,” they wrote. The amount of cognitive dissonance in this quote is ridiculous. When I originally read this qoute, I was expecting to find further down that Google is doing defense research with China. But nope. Google is contracting with a Chinese manufacturer to build cell phones, not performing weaponized AI research with the People's Liberation Army. Apparently, it's unpatriotic and borderline traitorous to say "you know what? I'd rather focus on building some decent cellphones instead of finding new ways to kill people from afar."
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago
  Miniaturizing electronics, increase battery, signal processing, improved cameras, ML on phones, voice and command recognition on phones, computational photography, object detection on phones - are just some of the stuff that can be used to improve phones, but are really easy to find military uses for.
  - mark_edward 8y ago
    If google co-operates with teaching kinematics to Chinese teenagers, many of those teenagers may grow up to use them to shoot rockets at the US.
    - gisely 8y ago
      We can't help them to learn arithmetic either! They'll raise a generation of killer robot engineers and enslave us ;)
  - throwawayjava 8y ago
    ...and all those things are developed by literally hundreds of other companies that often interact with Chinese businesses. The US could prohibit export of advanced battery technology or image processing or... This is not about national security. This is very explicitly a response to Google's desire not to cooperate with the US military on explicitly defense-related research. Two senators literally drew that line for us.
danielthrowaway 8y ago
The US gov is more and more barking like a mad dog all the time
echevil 8y ago
With Huawei being the second largest Android vendor after Samsung, there is nothing unnatural if Google wants to collaborate with Huawei to make better phones. They might also want to collaborate with the 3rd and 4th largest vendors, Xiaomi and Oppo
sqdbps 8y ago
Lawmakers should not interfere with corporate matters, doubly so for republican lawmakers.
- walshemj 8y ago
  In an ideal world maybe but we ain't in an ideal world. Google must have known that both getting that big and also going into the phone business - means you have to accept reality. You would have hoped that anyone working for a CNI company realises that especially given the roots of SV - of course this sucks if your job starts needing security clearance and your parents weren't natural born.
- mathinpens 8y ago
  er saying lawmakers shouldn't interfere in corporate matters is like saying lawmakers shouldn't interfere in laws
  - sqdbps 8y ago
    No law breaking is involved here, they have no cause for this inquiry.
    - mathinpens 8y ago
      er actually there are a lot of laws regarding the transfer of technology from the united states to foreign entities [which I do not know if there are statues that are implicated in the google matter but considering the willful blindness of several tech companies in the past it would not particularly surprise me]. but moreover-this is basically congress writing a letter-they are free to write whatever letters they want to regardless of whether or not laws have been broken]. part of creating new laws is initiating inquiries into things... considering the sorry state of forced technology transfer in joint chinese-foreign ventures I think some congressional scrutiny is long long overdue.
foobarbazetc 8y ago
Ah... Tom Cotton. So this can be ignored.
Apocryphon 8y ago
If only HTC had not dwindled. Remember when they used to quietly make the majority of Android phones?
phobosdeimos 8y ago
Apparently nobody in DC understands how capitalism works.If the worst happens Alphabet can always spin off a subsidiary, or maybe teach US lawmakers that global corporations can change headquarters very quickly if threatened.
- adventured 8y ago
  > or maybe teach US lawmakers that global corporations can change headquarters very quickly if threatened. That's incorrect. The US was willing to do almost anything necessary to prevent Pfizer from pulling an inversion and moving their HQ. They can craft legislation & rules almost overnight and stop Google from being able to easily move HQ. If that power move somehow fails, they can go a more malevolent direction (see Joseph Nacchio) to make an example of you. Big tech is very, very aware of this fact. That's why they all got in line (eventually) and signed on to prism et al. The Feds were perfectly willingly to bankrupt Yahoo for example, if they kept resisting. [1] The US is not an unregulated free market. The US is a massively regulated welfare state with dramatic intervention into the economy by the Federal and State governments. 40 or 50 years ago it may have been reasonable to call it a mixed economy, the power and size of the state has drastically increased since ~1970. [1] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/
- balls187 8y ago
  What lesson would Alphabet be imparting to US Lawmakers by moving head quarters?
BigChiefSmokem 8y ago
Our current administration's push towards Isolationism and against Globalism has hit the hills of Silicon Valley. Personally, I agree with the U.S. Govt here. I don't trust China either and neither should Google after they were effectively kicked out of that market. Android be damned - let them figure out their own technology. We need to just start manufacturing things here, with armies of robots if we have to. Let's compete for real with the rest of the world.
tonyduncan 8y ago
It’s a new low even for U.S. lawmakers.

53 points by vthallam 8y ago

gressquel 8y ago

excellent, the communist copycats needs to be stopped once and for all.

dang 8y ago
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

pkaye 8y ago

I agree after the disaster that was the Nexus 6P. After one year the $500 phone proceeds to boot loop. Huawei says they can't do anything because they ran out of replacement parts. Soon after my spouses 6P does the same. Out $1000. Luckily my credit card warranty paid me back the full amount. I'll never buy Huawei products again.

supermatt 8y ago
Sorry for your story but it’s not related in the slightest
blacksmith_tb 8y ago
Certainly frustrating, though my 6P is working nicely still, so I have a generally better impression of Huawei, I suppose. As long as I can unlock the bootloader, I'll probably choose Xiaomi for my next phone.

alexbeloi 8y ago

“While we regret that Google did not want to continue a long and fruitful tradition of collaboration between the military and technology companies, we are even more disappointed that Google apparently is more willing to support the Chinese Communist Party than the U.S. military,” they[0] wrote. [0] The letter was signed by Republican Senators Tom Cotton and Marco Rubio, Republican Representatives Michael Conaway and Liz Cheney, and Democratic Representative Dutch Ruppersberger.

mindslight 8y ago
Haha, these shitheads are still trying to beat that long-dead horse. Good luck! While you can compel the public to fund your wars and other mayhem through taxation, you can't compel our mindshare. While you can keep fooling the ersatz-patriotism choir into thinking you're the good guys, you can't convince the community that's actually building the future. And while you will eventually be able to compel the surveillance companies into doing your bidding, we'll build new things that remove them from our lives as well.
sremani 8y ago
They are more impatient than I thought. This is meant to be read between the lines. I would be amazed if some Google exec is not already on his/her way to D.C. to meet the esteemed Senators.

throwawayjava 8y ago

> “While we regret that Google did not want to continue a long and fruitful tradition of collaboration between the military and technology companies, we are even more disappointed that Google apparently is more willing to support the Chinese Communist Party than the U.S. military,” they wrote. The amount of cognitive dissonance in this quote is ridiculous. When I originally read this qoute, I was expecting to find further down that Google is doing defense research with China. But nope. Google is contracting with a Chinese manufacturer to build cell phones, not performing weaponized AI research with the People's Liberation Army. Apparently, it's unpatriotic and borderline traitorous to say "you know what? I'd rather focus on building some decent cellphones instead of finding new ways to kill people from afar."

RcouF1uZ4gsC 8y ago
Miniaturizing electronics, increase battery, signal processing, improved cameras, ML on phones, voice and command recognition on phones, computational photography, object detection on phones - are just some of the stuff that can be used to improve phones, but are really easy to find military uses for.
- mark_edward 8y ago
  If google co-operates with teaching kinematics to Chinese teenagers, many of those teenagers may grow up to use them to shoot rockets at the US.
  - gisely 8y ago
    We can't help them to learn arithmetic either! They'll raise a generation of killer robot engineers and enslave us ;)
- throwawayjava 8y ago
  ...and all those things are developed by literally hundreds of other companies that often interact with Chinese businesses. The US could prohibit export of advanced battery technology or image processing or... This is not about national security. This is very explicitly a response to Google's desire not to cooperate with the US military on explicitly defense-related research. Two senators literally drew that line for us.

danielthrowaway 8y ago

The US gov is more and more barking like a mad dog all the time

echevil 8y ago

With Huawei being the second largest Android vendor after Samsung, there is nothing unnatural if Google wants to collaborate with Huawei to make better phones. They might also want to collaborate with the 3rd and 4th largest vendors, Xiaomi and Oppo

sqdbps 8y ago

Lawmakers should not interfere with corporate matters, doubly so for republican lawmakers.

walshemj 8y ago
In an ideal world maybe but we ain't in an ideal world. Google must have known that both getting that big and also going into the phone business - means you have to accept reality. You would have hoped that anyone working for a CNI company realises that especially given the roots of SV - of course this sucks if your job starts needing security clearance and your parents weren't natural born.
mathinpens 8y ago
er saying lawmakers shouldn't interfere in corporate matters is like saying lawmakers shouldn't interfere in laws
- sqdbps 8y ago
  No law breaking is involved here, they have no cause for this inquiry.
  - mathinpens 8y ago
    er actually there are a lot of laws regarding the transfer of technology from the united states to foreign entities [which I do not know if there are statues that are implicated in the google matter but considering the willful blindness of several tech companies in the past it would not particularly surprise me]. but moreover-this is basically congress writing a letter-they are free to write whatever letters they want to regardless of whether or not laws have been broken]. part of creating new laws is initiating inquiries into things... considering the sorry state of forced technology transfer in joint chinese-foreign ventures I think some congressional scrutiny is long long overdue.

foobarbazetc 8y ago

Ah... Tom Cotton. So this can be ignored.

Apocryphon 8y ago

If only HTC had not dwindled. Remember when they used to quietly make the majority of Android phones?

phobosdeimos 8y ago

Apparently nobody in DC understands how capitalism works.If the worst happens Alphabet can always spin off a subsidiary, or maybe teach US lawmakers that global corporations can change headquarters very quickly if threatened.

adventured 8y ago
> or maybe teach US lawmakers that global corporations can change headquarters very quickly if threatened. That's incorrect. The US was willing to do almost anything necessary to prevent Pfizer from pulling an inversion and moving their HQ. They can craft legislation & rules almost overnight and stop Google from being able to easily move HQ. If that power move somehow fails, they can go a more malevolent direction (see Joseph Nacchio) to make an example of you. Big tech is very, very aware of this fact. That's why they all got in line (eventually) and signed on to prism et al. The Feds were perfectly willingly to bankrupt Yahoo for example, if they kept resisting. [1] The US is not an unregulated free market. The US is a massively regulated welfare state with dramatic intervention into the economy by the Federal and State governments. 40 or 50 years ago it may have been reasonable to call it a mixed economy, the power and size of the state has drastically increased since ~1970. [1] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/
balls187 8y ago
What lesson would Alphabet be imparting to US Lawmakers by moving head quarters?

BigChiefSmokem 8y ago

Our current administration's push towards Isolationism and against Globalism has hit the hills of Silicon Valley. Personally, I agree with the U.S. Govt here. I don't trust China either and neither should Google after they were effectively kicked out of that market. Android be damned - let them figure out their own technology. We need to just start manufacturing things here, with armies of robots if we have to. Let's compete for real with the rest of the world.

tonyduncan 8y ago

It’s a new low even for U.S. lawmakers.