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I believe it became custom in many parts of Europe around that time to clean out the prisons whenever a new monarch took office, obviously that wouldn't have al

I believe it became custom in many parts of Europe around that time to clean out the prisons whenever a new monarch took office, obviously that wouldn't have always happened, but at least they saw it as a problem and took steps to rectify it. It did, after all, cost some amount of money to house them, and obviously the new king would have wanted room to house prisoners of his own. It wasn't until modern times that prison became a place for common criminals, in those days only political offenders would be put away. Common criminals were variously fined, branded, and in serious cases, transported. Prison was considered a gift, the usual, Roman-era way of dealing with your political enemies once you achieved office was to execute them. Exile was considered, but someone of means would find a way to get back.

baud147258 8y ago
> It wasn't until modern times that prison became a place for common criminals, in those days only political offenders would be put away I don't think it was universally true, for example, when the Bastille prison in Paris was taken at the start of the French Revolution, it held only common criminals, with the political prisoners having been moved before the start of the unrest.
- vinceguidry 8y ago
  Yeah, the French did a lot of things differently, the French national consciousness was matched only by its material wealth, so they could afford such frivolities.
  - baud147258 8y ago
    > material wealth You know that one of the cause of the Revolution was a Financial crisis, right?
    - vinceguidry 8y ago
      Sure, probably the main cause. You can't have a financial crisis without material wealth. If you're going to hang yourself, the first thing you need is a rope.
DoctorOetker 8y ago
There is a difference between a new monarch 1) letting a symbolic but insignificant fraction free to gain popularity / manufacture consent for the governance of the new monarch 2) clearing out all the prisoners. Symbolically different alliances/parties fight each other, but within one such party/team the partners are competition too! Why liberate an old partner, if that increases your commpetition? Often the strategic value of this partner was low as the prisoner has been out of the loop, destabilized, broken. Automagically everyone agrees that "agitators are agitators" and a large fraction of the populace already believes whatever the political prisoner was accused of by the previous government. Regarding petty criminals and the "expense" of housing prisoners, that story really gets old very fast to be honest. Although seldom depicted in caricatural movies, we know historically there were no dedicated mental institutions. In the past they locked them up with normal criminals, no distinction. And they did forced labour like textile industry, like proto-factories. From the perspective of government thats an income, not an expense!!

baud147258 8y ago

> It wasn't until modern times that prison became a place for common criminals, in those days only political offenders would be put away I don't think it was universally true, for example, when the Bastille prison in Paris was taken at the start of the French Revolution, it held only common criminals, with the political prisoners having been moved before the start of the unrest.

vinceguidry 8y ago
Yeah, the French did a lot of things differently, the French national consciousness was matched only by its material wealth, so they could afford such frivolities.
- baud147258 8y ago
  > material wealth You know that one of the cause of the Revolution was a Financial crisis, right?
  - vinceguidry 8y ago
    Sure, probably the main cause. You can't have a financial crisis without material wealth. If you're going to hang yourself, the first thing you need is a rope.

DoctorOetker 8y ago

There is a difference between a new monarch 1) letting a symbolic but insignificant fraction free to gain popularity / manufacture consent for the governance of the new monarch 2) clearing out all the prisoners. Symbolically different alliances/parties fight each other, but within one such party/team the partners are competition too! Why liberate an old partner, if that increases your commpetition? Often the strategic value of this partner was low as the prisoner has been out of the loop, destabilized, broken. Automagically everyone agrees that "agitators are agitators" and a large fraction of the populace already believes whatever the political prisoner was accused of by the previous government. Regarding petty criminals and the "expense" of housing prisoners, that story really gets old very fast to be honest. Although seldom depicted in caricatural movies, we know historically there were no dedicated mental institutions. In the past they locked them up with normal criminals, no distinction. And they did forced labour like textile industry, like proto-factories. From the perspective of government thats an income, not an expense!!