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Kindle for the Web

81 points by Garbage 16y ago

travisp 16y ago
This was very exciting to me until I realized that you don't actually get to read books this way. It's limited to book samples. Still, it has some usefulness.
- allwein 16y ago
  I experienced the same letdown. I was super excited that I'd be able to start reading books at work (the Kindle PC App is "unapproved" software). Still, I guess it is nice to be able to preview books right away instead of having to go through the cycle of Send Preview to Kindle, Read Preview on Kindle, Go to web browser, look up book, buy book, and send back to Kindle.
  - kroger 16y ago
    You don't need to "Go to web browser, look up book, buy book, and send back to Kindle". You can buy the book directly from the sample with two clicks (menu -> buy this book)
    - WarDekar 16y ago
      Unfortunately I've also accidentally ordered books (more than once) when trying to delete the sample. As a testament to Amazon's great CS though, I've gotten refunded immediately when that has happened.
    - allwein 16y ago
      I do all my reading from the Kindle App on the iPad, which does not allow in-app purchasing of books. So that's where I grabbed my workflow from. I do understand it's easier if buying from an actual Kindle device.
- bradendouglass 16y ago
  Same here. The Mac OS X version of the Kindle software is atrocious and this was perhaps, if only for a second, a shred of hope.
- nileshtrivedi 16y ago
  Same here. That would have been the first officially supported way of reading kindle store books on linux, for example.
  - bcl 16y ago
    Unofficially, I use this - http://blog.brianlane.com/2010/09/18/kindle-on-linux-using-wine/ http://blog.brianlane.com/2010/09/18/kindle-on-linux-using-w...
- RaRic 16y ago
  Does anyone know why they won't release full books on the web? Seems like the demand would be strong.
  - robinhowlett 16y ago
    It's right there in the FAQ. "Why can't I view more pages from a specific book? We help our customers discover and sample books to ensure that they'll be satisfied with their purchases. Our agreements with publishers and copyright holders currently limit how much of the book is available for preview. We continue to work with publishers to expand these limits."
  - lallouz 16y ago
    I've never really understood the concept of "sampling" a book. I have always found that books (fiction, non-fiction reference) that I really enjoyed have always been referrals. I think that particularly with fiction, you have to give time to appreciate the characters, the writing style and the general feel. Anyone else find that "Sampling" for books just seems weird?
    - maw 16y ago
      It may be hard to tell if a book will good after only reading a few pages, but it's often easy to spot bad ones right away.
    - riffraff 16y ago
      While I do second your impression that many books I liked where referrals, I'd say that the image of a customer sampling a book in a public library or bookstore seems to be quite an iconic classic, and thus it makes sense to port it to a new media. On the other hand, while it is hard to judge a book by it's cover, it's not so crazy to judge it from a few paragraphs: if it's a funny book, you can usually tell right away if it's your genre of irony, and if it's fantasy you can see easily if it's all smeerps and naked heroins dressed in leather and so on. Some things do grow on you during reading, but if you can't stand a pompous verbose style (or a crude bare one) you can avoid starting reading something you won't ever even finish. But, obviously, all of this is IMO.
- eiji 16y ago
  They make too much money selling kindle, to release a full reader any time soon. As long as I need to have some special reading device, I won't buy any ebook.
  - adolph 16y ago
    Amazon's deployment of "free" Kindle reader software to many platforms differs from your interpretation. In terms of razor economic models, the Kindle hardware may be a deluxe razor handle, but Amazon seems willing to sell blades to users of other hardware.
  - iuyfgtrghjk 16y ago
    I suspect they make very little money selling Kindles. They probably sell for about break-even, as seen by the price drops. Amazon want you to buy books, preferably online, and only from them.
  - nagrom 16y ago
    You don't need a special reading device. If you download Kindle for Mac OS, you can read the book on that application. But if you want to read eBooks, you should get 'some special reading device' for the same reason that you should get a stand-alone TV or a toaster. Yes, you can fudge it with a more general use device, but the increase in usability and ergonomics more than makes up for the initial cash outlay.
- andreyf 16y ago
  I imagine it's tough to display DRM-protected content in a browser without being able to make copies using something like a Chrome extension, which would infuriate the publishers.
  - pufuwozu 16y ago
    There's no obfuscation. It's just JavaScript working on an iframe. The actual page is: http://kindleweb.s3.amazonaws.com/content/B003X28734/gz_sample.html http://kindleweb.s3.amazonaws.com/content/B003X28734/gz_samp... Which is actually some fairly nice HTML.
- kylec 16y ago
  Probably because it would be very easy to copy the entire book. Right click on the book, then "Open frame in new tab", and the entire book can be freely copied and redistributed.
  - jrockway 16y ago
    But the books you buy from Amazon are already HTML files with a trivial layer of encryption that takes about 5 seconds to remove. And every book they sell is already available on TPB. So I am not sure what this would prevent, except paying customers getting something worth paying for.
jorleif 16y ago
I was disappointed for a second reason: I thought about Web for the Kindle, rather than Kindle for the Web. I really like reading books and research paper pdfs on the Kindle, but delivery of non-Amazon content is a bit of a hassle. Not very much, but still emailing to the Kindle is some extra effort. It would be great if there was some selection of web content, e.g. Hacker News frontpage articles, or my RSS feeds that would be converted to the native Kindle format and then delivered like a newspaper daily or twice daily. Not being able to follow links would be annoying, but still the idea is nice. Maybe I have to hack something like that together and try it...
- raffij 16y ago
  http://www.kindlefeeder.com/ http://www.kindlefeeder.com/ allows you to do most of what you are looking for. Also for mobi files such as the instapaper one it would be nice to be able to make ajax calls to set articles to read when you clicked a link at the end of the article.
  - kroger 16y ago
    Have you actually tried to use kindlefeeder? It's a good service when the RSS feed has the full text, otherwise it just doesn't work (it's no good to read hacker news, for instance, as the feed doesn't have the full text)
  - jorleif 16y ago
    Thanks, that's very close to what I was looking for.
- ojbyrne 16y ago
  The latest kindle has a web browser.
  - jorleif 16y ago
    I hadn't actually noticed that, thanks. I tried it quickly and it seems that web pages are not so easy to read with it. Simply too much stuff around the actual content for the small screen. RSS feeds might be better as there is only text.
rudd 16y ago
I love this. The implementation would be so much nicer if they would extend it to full books, but it still works perfectly for previews. The scrub bar, the previous/next arrows, and all the other stuff make it very similar to other common web elements. Very nice.
c00p3r 16y ago
It is NOT Flash based! Good news, big deal.
wiks 16y ago
I brought the Kindle 2 for total of $400, thought it was a ripoff when apple introduced ipad..but it looks they are progressing slowly.
oceanician 16y ago
I like the idea of the kindle. I really love the eInk idea, so I don't really get it when people rave about back lit display books. At the end of the day, it's nice to relax reading. Which when your eyes are tired at the end of the day after sitting behind your computer all day, who on earth wants to sit and read something off a pc or someother back lit display, causing further eye stresses. Really keen to actually see and use an eInk tablet - without internet; else I'll just waste even more time on fb. I should do some more research into what would suit me.
- maw 16y ago
  If anyone releases a full-sized e-ink monitor, I'll splurge for it. Just a little bit faster and just a few more colors are all I'd need.
  - mikepurvis 16y ago
    That'd be awesome. With a little more speed, I could definitely picture that... maybe a multi-monitor setup with your web browser on an LCD, and your terminals and text editors on eInk displays.
JohnIdol 16y ago
Previews are cool, but it would be great if you could read all the kindle books you purchased in the browser.

81 points by Garbage 16y ago

This was very exciting to me until I realized that you don't actually get to read books this way. It's limited to book samples. Still, it has some usefulness.

allwein 16y ago
I experienced the same letdown. I was super excited that I'd be able to start reading books at work (the Kindle PC App is "unapproved" software). Still, I guess it is nice to be able to preview books right away instead of having to go through the cycle of Send Preview to Kindle, Read Preview on Kindle, Go to web browser, look up book, buy book, and send back to Kindle.
- kroger 16y ago
  You don't need to "Go to web browser, look up book, buy book, and send back to Kindle". You can buy the book directly from the sample with two clicks (menu -> buy this book)
  - WarDekar 16y ago
    Unfortunately I've also accidentally ordered books (more than once) when trying to delete the sample. As a testament to Amazon's great CS though, I've gotten refunded immediately when that has happened.
  - allwein 16y ago
    I do all my reading from the Kindle App on the iPad, which does not allow in-app purchasing of books. So that's where I grabbed my workflow from. I do understand it's easier if buying from an actual Kindle device.
bradendouglass 16y ago
Same here. The Mac OS X version of the Kindle software is atrocious and this was perhaps, if only for a second, a shred of hope.
nileshtrivedi 16y ago
Same here. That would have been the first officially supported way of reading kindle store books on linux, for example.
- bcl 16y ago
  Unofficially, I use this - http://blog.brianlane.com/2010/09/18/kindle-on-linux-using-wine/ http://blog.brianlane.com/2010/09/18/kindle-on-linux-using-w...
RaRic 16y ago
Does anyone know why they won't release full books on the web? Seems like the demand would be strong.
- robinhowlett 16y ago
  It's right there in the FAQ. "Why can't I view more pages from a specific book? We help our customers discover and sample books to ensure that they'll be satisfied with their purchases. Our agreements with publishers and copyright holders currently limit how much of the book is available for preview. We continue to work with publishers to expand these limits."
- lallouz 16y ago
  I've never really understood the concept of "sampling" a book. I have always found that books (fiction, non-fiction reference) that I really enjoyed have always been referrals. I think that particularly with fiction, you have to give time to appreciate the characters, the writing style and the general feel. Anyone else find that "Sampling" for books just seems weird?
  - maw 16y ago
    It may be hard to tell if a book will good after only reading a few pages, but it's often easy to spot bad ones right away.
  - riffraff 16y ago
    While I do second your impression that many books I liked where referrals, I'd say that the image of a customer sampling a book in a public library or bookstore seems to be quite an iconic classic, and thus it makes sense to port it to a new media. On the other hand, while it is hard to judge a book by it's cover, it's not so crazy to judge it from a few paragraphs: if it's a funny book, you can usually tell right away if it's your genre of irony, and if it's fantasy you can see easily if it's all smeerps and naked heroins dressed in leather and so on. Some things do grow on you during reading, but if you can't stand a pompous verbose style (or a crude bare one) you can avoid starting reading something you won't ever even finish. But, obviously, all of this is IMO.
eiji 16y ago
They make too much money selling kindle, to release a full reader any time soon. As long as I need to have some special reading device, I won't buy any ebook.
- adolph 16y ago
  Amazon's deployment of "free" Kindle reader software to many platforms differs from your interpretation. In terms of razor economic models, the Kindle hardware may be a deluxe razor handle, but Amazon seems willing to sell blades to users of other hardware.
- iuyfgtrghjk 16y ago
  I suspect they make very little money selling Kindles. They probably sell for about break-even, as seen by the price drops. Amazon want you to buy books, preferably online, and only from them.
- nagrom 16y ago
  You don't need a special reading device. If you download Kindle for Mac OS, you can read the book on that application. But if you want to read eBooks, you should get 'some special reading device' for the same reason that you should get a stand-alone TV or a toaster. Yes, you can fudge it with a more general use device, but the increase in usability and ergonomics more than makes up for the initial cash outlay.
andreyf 16y ago
I imagine it's tough to display DRM-protected content in a browser without being able to make copies using something like a Chrome extension, which would infuriate the publishers.
- pufuwozu 16y ago
  There's no obfuscation. It's just JavaScript working on an iframe. The actual page is: http://kindleweb.s3.amazonaws.com/content/B003X28734/gz_sample.html http://kindleweb.s3.amazonaws.com/content/B003X28734/gz_samp... Which is actually some fairly nice HTML.
kylec 16y ago
Probably because it would be very easy to copy the entire book. Right click on the book, then "Open frame in new tab", and the entire book can be freely copied and redistributed.
- jrockway 16y ago
  But the books you buy from Amazon are already HTML files with a trivial layer of encryption that takes about 5 seconds to remove. And every book they sell is already available on TPB. So I am not sure what this would prevent, except paying customers getting something worth paying for.

jorleif 16y ago

I was disappointed for a second reason: I thought about Web for the Kindle, rather than Kindle for the Web. I really like reading books and research paper pdfs on the Kindle, but delivery of non-Amazon content is a bit of a hassle. Not very much, but still emailing to the Kindle is some extra effort. It would be great if there was some selection of web content, e.g. Hacker News frontpage articles, or my RSS feeds that would be converted to the native Kindle format and then delivered like a newspaper daily or twice daily. Not being able to follow links would be annoying, but still the idea is nice. Maybe I have to hack something like that together and try it...

raffij 16y ago
http://www.kindlefeeder.com/ http://www.kindlefeeder.com/ allows you to do most of what you are looking for. Also for mobi files such as the instapaper one it would be nice to be able to make ajax calls to set articles to read when you clicked a link at the end of the article.
- kroger 16y ago
  Have you actually tried to use kindlefeeder? It's a good service when the RSS feed has the full text, otherwise it just doesn't work (it's no good to read hacker news, for instance, as the feed doesn't have the full text)
- jorleif 16y ago
  Thanks, that's very close to what I was looking for.
ojbyrne 16y ago
The latest kindle has a web browser.
- jorleif 16y ago
  I hadn't actually noticed that, thanks. I tried it quickly and it seems that web pages are not so easy to read with it. Simply too much stuff around the actual content for the small screen. RSS feeds might be better as there is only text.

rudd 16y ago

I love this. The implementation would be so much nicer if they would extend it to full books, but it still works perfectly for previews. The scrub bar, the previous/next arrows, and all the other stuff make it very similar to other common web elements. Very nice.

c00p3r 16y ago

It is NOT Flash based! Good news, big deal.

wiks 16y ago

I brought the Kindle 2 for total of $400, thought it was a ripoff when apple introduced ipad..but it looks they are progressing slowly.

oceanician 16y ago

I like the idea of the kindle. I really love the eInk idea, so I don't really get it when people rave about back lit display books. At the end of the day, it's nice to relax reading. Which when your eyes are tired at the end of the day after sitting behind your computer all day, who on earth wants to sit and read something off a pc or someother back lit display, causing further eye stresses. Really keen to actually see and use an eInk tablet - without internet; else I'll just waste even more time on fb. I should do some more research into what would suit me.

maw 16y ago
If anyone releases a full-sized e-ink monitor, I'll splurge for it. Just a little bit faster and just a few more colors are all I'd need.
- mikepurvis 16y ago
  That'd be awesome. With a little more speed, I could definitely picture that... maybe a multi-monitor setup with your web browser on an LCD, and your terminals and text editors on eInk displays.

JohnIdol 16y ago

Previews are cool, but it would be great if you could read all the kindle books you purchased in the browser.