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There's always news of China hacking the US... Is China more competent, or do they report on it less (I'm sure the latter is true to some degree.) Is there any

There's always news of China hacking the US... Is China more competent, or do they report on it less (I'm sure the latter is true to some degree.) Is there any data on the volume of hacks on the two sides? I understand that Obama and Xi agreed to show mutual restraint, which would imply some reciprocity from the US, but to what extent?

duxup 8y ago
There would really be no incentive for China to report it. Not letting your opponent know that you know has value.
seanmcdirmid 8y ago
No, they are just bad enough to get caught often enough. The USA does the same thing probably, but they are much more careful about it. It doesn’t help that much of China’s economy is state owned, so even someone doing some espionage for a state owned enterprise would be rightfully called state sponsored.
- zard784 8y ago
  I sure hope so, China has taken one of the least wise and darker paths these past centuries.
  - Waterluvian 8y ago
    Now that's one astroturfy trumplike comment.
    - zard784 8y ago
      When you make obviously stupid decisions that lead to mass canibalsim like China, then you’re not wise imo. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/cannibalism-11222013104349.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/cannibalism-112220131... Also murdering your own citizens to harvest their organs, pretty bad in my imo too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_...
      - 2stop 8y ago
        Falun Gong, a group supposedly that just likes practicing qigong, which if you ever visit China you will see thousands of people do this every day. But which seems to Have a massive propaganda apparatus that it deploys worldwide.
    - 07d046 8y ago
      You can have a very low view of the Chinese Communist Party while being many things that Trump isn't, like a fierce advocate for liberal democracy and human rights and the rule of law.
    - solotronics 8y ago
      you saying this is short sighted and distracts from real issues such as genocide and massive human rights violations happening around the world right now.
rainbowliquor 8y ago
Actually I have an unpopular opinion in regards to your question on competency. The computing industry as a whole over the years has grown and morphed to the point that there’s a high level of ineptitude when it comes to basic administration of networks, servers, and services. Basic concepts of not sharing passwords, locking networks down, using TLS, least privileged access, and so much more aren’t practiced as much as they may have been (well if at all). I’m sure there are plenty of companies and teams that do good things but I’ve seen now at a few companies I’ve worked, lax attitude and poor response to incidents that I believe has made it scary easy for a bad actor to gain access to things they shouldn’t.

duxup 8y ago

There would really be no incentive for China to report it. Not letting your opponent know that you know has value.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago

No, they are just bad enough to get caught often enough. The USA does the same thing probably, but they are much more careful about it. It doesn’t help that much of China’s economy is state owned, so even someone doing some espionage for a state owned enterprise would be rightfully called state sponsored.

zard784 8y ago
I sure hope so, China has taken one of the least wise and darker paths these past centuries.
- Waterluvian 8y ago
  Now that's one astroturfy trumplike comment.
  - zard784 8y ago
    When you make obviously stupid decisions that lead to mass canibalsim like China, then you’re not wise imo. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/cannibalism-11222013104349.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/cannibalism-112220131... Also murdering your own citizens to harvest their organs, pretty bad in my imo too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_...
    - 2stop 8y ago
      Falun Gong, a group supposedly that just likes practicing qigong, which if you ever visit China you will see thousands of people do this every day. But which seems to Have a massive propaganda apparatus that it deploys worldwide.
  - 07d046 8y ago
    You can have a very low view of the Chinese Communist Party while being many things that Trump isn't, like a fierce advocate for liberal democracy and human rights and the rule of law.
  - solotronics 8y ago
    you saying this is short sighted and distracts from real issues such as genocide and massive human rights violations happening around the world right now.

rainbowliquor 8y ago

Actually I have an unpopular opinion in regards to your question on competency. The computing industry as a whole over the years has grown and morphed to the point that there’s a high level of ineptitude when it comes to basic administration of networks, servers, and services. Basic concepts of not sharing passwords, locking networks down, using TLS, least privileged access, and so much more aren’t practiced as much as they may have been (well if at all). I’m sure there are plenty of companies and teams that do good things but I’ve seen now at a few companies I’ve worked, lax attitude and poor response to incidents that I believe has made it scary easy for a bad actor to gain access to things they shouldn’t.