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I think this kind of “don’t sell technology x to governments” is kind of misguided for the following reasons. 1) You are saying that you are from be with priva

I think this kind of “don’t sell technology x to governments” is kind of misguided for the following reasons. 1) You are saying that you are from be with private entities having access to this technology, but not public entities? Private individuals and companies should be able to use facial recognition, but not governments? Throughout history, governments have typically been the first ones to acquire tech. Of note is that the major Airplane companies (Boeing and Airbus) have very large military units. 2) It is likely to be ineffective. All you need is a third company that serves as the bridge that buys facial recognition from Amazon and resells to the government. 3) International relationships really are a competition. I am sure Chinese AI companies are working hand in glove with the government to make sure their government is able to deploy the latest AI tech. If AI is the gamechanger people say it is, you have given an incredible leg up to China vs the West. 4) If employees at companies keep on pushing this anti-government, anti-military thing with AI, there is a good chance that it will get reclassified as a sensitive technology and heavily regulated.

merlincorey 8y ago
> 3) International relationships really are a competition. I am sure Chinese AI companies are working hand in glove with the government to make sure their government is able to deploy the latest AI tech. If AI is the gamechanger people say it is, you have given an incredible leg up to China vs the West. I think this is a really important point, here. I think the paranoid line of thinking is helpful in this instance: Who benefits from the US government not having access to AI technologies? - The argument on the face of it seems to be that we, the people of this world and in the US, benefit thanks to keeping these tools out of our government's hands - The unmentioned argument is benefits go to China, Russia, and other countries whose tech sectors cooperate with the government I am not suggesting that the article was written by China or Russia to hurt our government - that certainly sounds like "conspiracy theory"; however, I am suggesting that it is a valid concern that the US as a country may want to "keep up".
- int_19h 8y ago
  Your analysis ignores an important point: the only thing that the US government would need to gain such access, would be to stop doing the things it is being called out for. It's not that government having such tools that's inherently the problem, but the way they're going to be used here and now.
adventured 8y ago
> 4) If employees at companies keep on pushing this anti-government, anti-military thing with AI, there is a good chance that it will get reclassified as a sensitive technology and heavily regulated. The US Government will build/spur/prompt the next Googles and Amazons by pouring hundreds of millions of dollars in venture capital into new companies, targeting whatever tech they want to see exist. They had a large role to play in making just about every major tech company in the US possible. They'll simply keep on with it. Google, Amazon, etc will have the US Government as an aggressive direct competitor as they hand the latest DARPA tech and In-Q-Tel funding to the next Googles. It won't get reclassified and heavily regulated, the next company will jump at the opportunity to ride the US Government money spigot to billions in riches.
kakarot 8y ago
A giant corporation might be evil, but where I live the government pretty much has a mandate to systematically erode the last 200 years of advancement in civil rights. The sooner facial recognition data is integrated en masse, this mandate will be exponentially easier to carry out. A corporation aiding the government in this process is essentially an extension of Corpgov and is not to be trusted with facial recognition tech anymore than the increasingly authoritarian government with whom they share a bed.
- jopsen 8y ago
  Trump won't end civil rights in the US, not unless you let him. I'm not American so it's not my responsibility, but probably you should throw work into politics and reforms of the political system.
  - kakarot 8y ago
    These machinations were not set forth by Donald Trump. This erosion has been a long time coming. He is a drop in the ocean.

merlincorey 8y ago

> 3) International relationships really are a competition. I am sure Chinese AI companies are working hand in glove with the government to make sure their government is able to deploy the latest AI tech. If AI is the gamechanger people say it is, you have given an incredible leg up to China vs the West. I think this is a really important point, here. I think the paranoid line of thinking is helpful in this instance: Who benefits from the US government not having access to AI technologies? - The argument on the face of it seems to be that we, the people of this world and in the US, benefit thanks to keeping these tools out of our government's hands - The unmentioned argument is benefits go to China, Russia, and other countries whose tech sectors cooperate with the government I am not suggesting that the article was written by China or Russia to hurt our government - that certainly sounds like "conspiracy theory"; however, I am suggesting that it is a valid concern that the US as a country may want to "keep up".

int_19h 8y ago
Your analysis ignores an important point: the only thing that the US government would need to gain such access, would be to stop doing the things it is being called out for. It's not that government having such tools that's inherently the problem, but the way they're going to be used here and now.

adventured 8y ago

> 4) If employees at companies keep on pushing this anti-government, anti-military thing with AI, there is a good chance that it will get reclassified as a sensitive technology and heavily regulated. The US Government will build/spur/prompt the next Googles and Amazons by pouring hundreds of millions of dollars in venture capital into new companies, targeting whatever tech they want to see exist. They had a large role to play in making just about every major tech company in the US possible. They'll simply keep on with it. Google, Amazon, etc will have the US Government as an aggressive direct competitor as they hand the latest DARPA tech and In-Q-Tel funding to the next Googles. It won't get reclassified and heavily regulated, the next company will jump at the opportunity to ride the US Government money spigot to billions in riches.

kakarot 8y ago

A giant corporation might be evil, but where I live the government pretty much has a mandate to systematically erode the last 200 years of advancement in civil rights. The sooner facial recognition data is integrated en masse, this mandate will be exponentially easier to carry out. A corporation aiding the government in this process is essentially an extension of Corpgov and is not to be trusted with facial recognition tech anymore than the increasingly authoritarian government with whom they share a bed.

jopsen 8y ago
Trump won't end civil rights in the US, not unless you let him. I'm not American so it's not my responsibility, but probably you should throw work into politics and reforms of the political system.
- kakarot 8y ago
  These machinations were not set forth by Donald Trump. This erosion has been a long time coming. He is a drop in the ocean.