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The US government is separating children from their parents over trivial affairs in what constitutes a gross violation of human rights. Don't trivialize the is

The US government is separating children from their parents over trivial affairs in what constitutes a gross violation of human rights. Don't trivialize the issue.

rubbingalcohol 8y ago
How do we know they're the parents if they're not documented? How do we know they're not human traffickers? FWIW when I was 12 my dad drove me across the Canadian border to visit some family, and the Canadian police couldn't verify he wasn't some random kidnapper, so they detained and separated us for hours while they tried to contact my mom (this was before cell phones). A ton of hassle to verify that my dad was who he said he was, but ultimately it was for my own safety. I don't really see the difference, except in the case of the ICE detainees, the parents are also criminals for crossing the border illegally. (Aren't criminals in our own country separated from their children when they're arrested?) Sure downvote me because it hurts your feelings but logically you're wrong.
- Daishiman 8y ago
  How do I know you exist?
R_haterade 8y ago
The US government has been doing this since at least 2014 and nobody cared until the democrats beat every other issue to death trying to make republicans out to be monsters. I guarantee nobody is going to care about this in 4 months when the liberal money machine decides to use something else to make Trump look like satan incarnate. TLDR; tu quoque, literally. EDIT: The shills are out in force today!
- Daishiman 8y ago
  Yes. Trump decides to double down on the efforts of this horrific policy. This is the most retarded defense of this I've heard.
  - R_haterade 8y ago
    ...which the Obama administration started in the first place. Just another Obama mess he'll get to clean up, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - dfundako 8y ago
    Let's not go ahead use 'Retarded' as a pejorative word. There are more constructive adjectives to use to get your message across.
- sctb 8y ago
  Please stop breaking the guidelines or we'll ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
jiminy_john 8y ago
Then you are arguing that the law that is currently in effect, and which was voted and upheld with Democrat's help, is a "gross violation of human rights." Maybe you should also petition and push for help on the Democrat side instead of just pointing the finger across the isle.
- Daishiman 8y ago
  Maybe you should realize that while one party's push was subtle and clearly not supported by the vast majority of the party, the other is obviously in favor of it and wants more of this. This is stupid whataboutism. Democrats didn't stop blaming Obama over drone strikes and a series of things that people within the party actively opposed. Whereas all you have here are bigoted Republicans and people like you who are trying to sidestep the main issue.
Veelox 8y ago
My understanding is that if a family crosses the border illegally the children are separated from the parents. If instead they stop and the border and request entry then the families get to stay together. It is motivated in part because the US gov got sued for keeping the families together and in part to discourage illegal border crossing by families. 1) Do we disagree on the facts of the matter? 2) Why does entering the US illegally count as a trivial affair? Looks like I cannot reply anymore in this thread. Thanks to alasdair_ and sp332 for civil replies that provide facts to support their views.
- Daishiman 8y ago
  Entering a country illegally doesn't deny you of basic human rights, unless you're the sort of bigot who wants to disregard the huge amount of jurisdprudence in that matter and who feels it's morally right.
  - Veelox 8y ago
    Point of fact, committing an illegal active in the US is grounds for having your children taken away. Committing an illegal activity is not grounds for deprivation of food, water, or shelter. When you make the assertion that "Entering a country illegally doesn't deny you of basic human rights" are you contending that the families should be kept together or that a different basic right is being denied?
    - jjwiseman 8y ago
      It's a misdemeanor immigration offense, according to the ACLU & CNN's legal analyst.
    - Daishiman 8y ago
      You're arguing that separating families for a misdemeanor with nothing else outstanding is morally valid.
    - rosser 8y ago
      How many other misdemeanors result in people's kids being summarily taken away?

The US government is separating children from their parents over trivial affairs in what constitutes a gross violation of human rights. Don't trivialize the issue.

rubbingalcohol 8y ago

How do we know they're the parents if they're not documented? How do we know they're not human traffickers? FWIW when I was 12 my dad drove me across the Canadian border to visit some family, and the Canadian police couldn't verify he wasn't some random kidnapper, so they detained and separated us for hours while they tried to contact my mom (this was before cell phones). A ton of hassle to verify that my dad was who he said he was, but ultimately it was for my own safety. I don't really see the difference, except in the case of the ICE detainees, the parents are also criminals for crossing the border illegally. (Aren't criminals in our own country separated from their children when they're arrested?) Sure downvote me because it hurts your feelings but logically you're wrong.

Daishiman 8y ago
How do I know you exist?

R_haterade 8y ago

The US government has been doing this since at least 2014 and nobody cared until the democrats beat every other issue to death trying to make republicans out to be monsters. I guarantee nobody is going to care about this in 4 months when the liberal money machine decides to use something else to make Trump look like satan incarnate. TLDR; tu quoque, literally. EDIT: The shills are out in force today!

Daishiman 8y ago
Yes. Trump decides to double down on the efforts of this horrific policy. This is the most retarded defense of this I've heard.
- R_haterade 8y ago
  ...which the Obama administration started in the first place. Just another Obama mess he'll get to clean up, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- dfundako 8y ago
  Let's not go ahead use 'Retarded' as a pejorative word. There are more constructive adjectives to use to get your message across.
sctb 8y ago
Please stop breaking the guidelines or we'll ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jiminy_john 8y ago

Then you are arguing that the law that is currently in effect, and which was voted and upheld with Democrat's help, is a "gross violation of human rights." Maybe you should also petition and push for help on the Democrat side instead of just pointing the finger across the isle.

Daishiman 8y ago
Maybe you should realize that while one party's push was subtle and clearly not supported by the vast majority of the party, the other is obviously in favor of it and wants more of this. This is stupid whataboutism. Democrats didn't stop blaming Obama over drone strikes and a series of things that people within the party actively opposed. Whereas all you have here are bigoted Republicans and people like you who are trying to sidestep the main issue.

Veelox 8y ago

My understanding is that if a family crosses the border illegally the children are separated from the parents. If instead they stop and the border and request entry then the families get to stay together. It is motivated in part because the US gov got sued for keeping the families together and in part to discourage illegal border crossing by families. 1) Do we disagree on the facts of the matter? 2) Why does entering the US illegally count as a trivial affair? Looks like I cannot reply anymore in this thread. Thanks to alasdair_ and sp332 for civil replies that provide facts to support their views.

Daishiman 8y ago
Entering a country illegally doesn't deny you of basic human rights, unless you're the sort of bigot who wants to disregard the huge amount of jurisdprudence in that matter and who feels it's morally right.
- Veelox 8y ago
  Point of fact, committing an illegal active in the US is grounds for having your children taken away. Committing an illegal activity is not grounds for deprivation of food, water, or shelter. When you make the assertion that "Entering a country illegally doesn't deny you of basic human rights" are you contending that the families should be kept together or that a different basic right is being denied?
  - jjwiseman 8y ago
    It's a misdemeanor immigration offense, according to the ACLU & CNN's legal analyst.
  - Daishiman 8y ago
    You're arguing that separating families for a misdemeanor with nothing else outstanding is morally valid.
  - rosser 8y ago
    How many other misdemeanors result in people's kids being summarily taken away?