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If that feeling went both ways I could agree. Companies however, obviously don't like not controlling everything the public has and do things like increase copy

by lovich 8y ago

If that feeling went both ways I could agree. Companies however, obviously don't like not controlling everything the public has and do things like increase copyright to a length that their own company would have never started(Disney), or try to claim that users no longer own products they buy and can no longer repair things themselves (John Deere). Companies have already taken multiple sustained attacks against consumers rights so why would consumers care about the companies rights?

rayiner 8y ago
“Companies” are not an undifferentiated mass. What does John Deere have to do with Dexter or Game of Thrones? Are people only pirating the work of “bad” companies?
- lovich 8y ago
  Consumers aren't an undifferentiated mass either. Why are paying customers sitting through 5 minutes of FBI warnings in front of DVDs because some other people pirate? These arguments go both ways but a large portion of this forum seems to only view it from the companies perspective
  - adventured 8y ago
    > Why are paying customers sitting through 5 minutes of FBI warnings in front of DVDs because some other people pirate? It's not your product to design, in this case you don't get to decide how it's presented. You also don't get to decide the design of iOS, or how Apple designs its next processor, or what color Stack Overflow's logo is, or the design of Wikipedia, or what resolutions YouTube offers, or what algorithms Google uses in its search product.
    - lovich 8y ago
      "your product" is a function of our laws concerning property and those are not a fundamental law of the universe. Corporations have had a large say in defining what property is in the modern world but consumers get a say too, through their actions. Why are a series of 1s and 0s this companies property or that person's property other than because society declares them to be so? If they can declare who owns what then that declaration can change Edit: For example, if steam boat Willie was still under the copyright laws that existed when it was created, it would be society property now. Because the rules were changed, it's Disney's property. If "property" can be taken from society by companies, then the reverse can happen as well
    - scrumption 8y ago
      Just like you don't get to decide if I download it for free or not, lol. But for your information, I can and do run userscripts, custom ROMs, jailbroken firmware etc to change the exact sort of thing you spent the second half of your post talking about. You sound like you have a very boring consumerist relationship to technology and the opposite of a hacker ethos.
      - rayiner 8y ago
        "Hacker ethos" is using other peoples' work for free?

by lovich 8y ago

rayiner 8y ago

“Companies” are not an undifferentiated mass. What does John Deere have to do with Dexter or Game of Thrones? Are people only pirating the work of “bad” companies?

lovich 8y ago
Consumers aren't an undifferentiated mass either. Why are paying customers sitting through 5 minutes of FBI warnings in front of DVDs because some other people pirate? These arguments go both ways but a large portion of this forum seems to only view it from the companies perspective
- adventured 8y ago
  > Why are paying customers sitting through 5 minutes of FBI warnings in front of DVDs because some other people pirate? It's not your product to design, in this case you don't get to decide how it's presented. You also don't get to decide the design of iOS, or how Apple designs its next processor, or what color Stack Overflow's logo is, or the design of Wikipedia, or what resolutions YouTube offers, or what algorithms Google uses in its search product.
  - lovich 8y ago
    "your product" is a function of our laws concerning property and those are not a fundamental law of the universe. Corporations have had a large say in defining what property is in the modern world but consumers get a say too, through their actions. Why are a series of 1s and 0s this companies property or that person's property other than because society declares them to be so? If they can declare who owns what then that declaration can change Edit: For example, if steam boat Willie was still under the copyright laws that existed when it was created, it would be society property now. Because the rules were changed, it's Disney's property. If "property" can be taken from society by companies, then the reverse can happen as well
  - scrumption 8y ago
    Just like you don't get to decide if I download it for free or not, lol. But for your information, I can and do run userscripts, custom ROMs, jailbroken firmware etc to change the exact sort of thing you spent the second half of your post talking about. You sound like you have a very boring consumerist relationship to technology and the opposite of a hacker ethos.
    - rayiner 8y ago
      "Hacker ethos" is using other peoples' work for free?