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Apple’s Next Laptops Could Be More iPhone Than Mac

42 points by boramalper 8y ago

Theodores 8y ago
Paywalled again. With 'could be' in the title rather than 'will'. From this I guess they are guessing this based on the fact that Apple have been slow to update their laptops recently? So one day soon Apple are going to come out with new computers that are a radical departure from the past, the x86 gone and their own chips powering the next generation of MacBooks? Sounds great but in the same timescale Google are going to bring out something that is an Operating System but not as we know it, with A.I. baked in. Should be interesting times.
- adjkant 8y ago
  https://outline.com/ https://outline.com/ works well to get past most paywalls. There's a chrome extension version as well.
  - oldcynic 8y ago
    Thank you! Web search for WSJ bypass has been mostly failing lately. Downvoting you for being helpful is a bit uncharitable, +1
    - adjkant 8y ago
      Glad it helped! No idea why I'm being downvoted. I have no affiliation FYI - I post about it every so often here literally because so many people complain about paywalls...
  - pcf 8y ago
    How/why does Outline work?
    - adjkant 8y ago
      Not fully sure but likely takes advantage of facebook/google hacks, clean machines/IP for limited articles, maybe other things, to get the full article and then extracts the text/images into a reader-like view. Bonus of no ads too.
  - ricardobeat 8y ago
    No idea why you are being downvoted, thanks a lot for this. Some days it feels like half of HN's front page is paywalled, and you can't even tell until you try reading each one.
    - adjkant 8y ago
      Not sure why you're being downvoted either - can someone please explain?
illustrioussuit 8y ago
No paywall: https://outline.com/SBXeKp https://outline.com/SBXeKp
- heyoni 8y ago
  And it works with reader mode. Bless your soul, child.
- hadrien01 8y ago
  That link showed nothing on my browser, but entering directly the WSJ article url on https://outline.com https://outline.com redirected to your url and displayed correctly.
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dickbasedregex 8y ago
I've been figuring for a couple years now I'd have to abandon macs once my air dies. Apple seems bound and determined to shun developers and instead sell facebook machines.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  Same here.
- todd3834 8y ago
  I am a developer and I love using a Mac. The stock terminal app has improved so much over the last few years that switching to any flavor of Linux always leaves me wanting Mac OS. It also seems like >90% of the developers at all of the companies I’ve worked use Macs. I’m sure that’s not the case for everyone but that’s been my experience. What has Apple done to make you feel this way? What am I missing? Disclaimer: my current laptop still has an ESC key also I used to work for Apple
  - ddon 8y ago
    Few things - not updating hardware for years, pretty much no innovation on the desktop (both, hardware and software), getting rid of ports on recent laptops, not having touch screens, horrible cables [1], etc... [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+broken+cable&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+broken+cable&t=ffab&iax=imag...
    - timr 8y ago
      The same people who complain about hardware updates nearly always say, in the next breath, that they're using a Mac from five years ago. I'd like to see steady updates too, but perhaps we should all admit that updates aren't as essential as they used to be.
      - manicdee 8y ago
        I an still using a 2010 11” MacBook Air because there is no equivalent in the modern product range. I just want something light and portable for capturing photos from my cameras, culling the obviously crap ones, and transferring the remainder to storage. The 12” MacBook provides most of the functionality I want at three times the price. I can’t (for example) plug it in to power and storage at the same time without spending even more money on USB-C infrastructure.
plassma 8y ago
And complete their long slow transition from making computers to making appliances for web browsing and word processing
- SiVal 8y ago
  They don't care much about web browsing and care far less about word processing. They are making appliances as interfaces to services, with as many of the services as possible being ways to buy things from Apple. I'm not saying this to be cynical. I'm being quite literal that that is their business plan.
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callesgg 8y ago
For most romantics that should be enough. Essentially the same thing as a iPad with keyboard. ios is still to limited when it comes to usb storage but when that is "fixed" i belive 80% of all computer users could be satisfied with IOS. Neglecting the fact that users want torrent software and the likes.
- vbezhenar 8y ago
  Are you expecting iOS? I'm sure that they'll ship macOS. There were rumors about internal ARM build of macOS years ago.
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nordsieck 8y ago
> The company announced that its initial wave of 7nm chips will be available first to its data-center customers—who are driving its greatest revenue growth—not to the companies that build laptops and tablets. Intel said nothing of the sort, in large part because their upcoming process is called "10nm".
baby 8y ago
I can't read the article since it's behind some paywall, shouldn't these kind of links be banned from hackernews? I'm going to start flagging things from wsj.com consistently now.
geoalchimista 8y ago
Looks like my dream of having an MacBook Pro 15'' with octa-core Intel processors that support AVX512 and an Nvidia graphics card with which you can run CUDA will never come true. Now I just wish they could keep the Unix kernel of macOS, cuz I don't want a bigger iPad.
- Bud 8y ago
  iOS is also sitting atop Unix.
ofrzeta 8y ago
Really, I don't get why they just can't keep on doing incremental updates to the machines they have. I am still using a Macbook Air 2012. I am actually waiting for the successor to come out. This machine with 8GB and 512GB SSD is fine as it is. It might be boring but from what I know it is also what the majority of developers (or other users) want or need. Maybe NVM if there has to be some innovation. And maybe put some effort into keeping (or improving) the build quality. Can't be so hard. Oh, and fix the damn power supply cables for that matter (Magsafe is great but what about those cables)!

42 points by boramalper 8y ago

Paywalled again. With 'could be' in the title rather than 'will'. From this I guess they are guessing this based on the fact that Apple have been slow to update their laptops recently? So one day soon Apple are going to come out with new computers that are a radical departure from the past, the x86 gone and their own chips powering the next generation of MacBooks? Sounds great but in the same timescale Google are going to bring out something that is an Operating System but not as we know it, with A.I. baked in. Should be interesting times.

adjkant 8y ago
https://outline.com/ https://outline.com/ works well to get past most paywalls. There's a chrome extension version as well.
- oldcynic 8y ago
  Thank you! Web search for WSJ bypass has been mostly failing lately. Downvoting you for being helpful is a bit uncharitable, +1
  - adjkant 8y ago
    Glad it helped! No idea why I'm being downvoted. I have no affiliation FYI - I post about it every so often here literally because so many people complain about paywalls...
- pcf 8y ago
  How/why does Outline work?
  - adjkant 8y ago
    Not fully sure but likely takes advantage of facebook/google hacks, clean machines/IP for limited articles, maybe other things, to get the full article and then extracts the text/images into a reader-like view. Bonus of no ads too.
- ricardobeat 8y ago
  No idea why you are being downvoted, thanks a lot for this. Some days it feels like half of HN's front page is paywalled, and you can't even tell until you try reading each one.
  - adjkant 8y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted either - can someone please explain?

illustrioussuit 8y ago

No paywall: https://outline.com/SBXeKp https://outline.com/SBXeKp

heyoni 8y ago
And it works with reader mode. Bless your soul, child.
hadrien01 8y ago
That link showed nothing on my browser, but entering directly the WSJ article url on https://outline.com https://outline.com redirected to your url and displayed correctly.

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dickbasedregex 8y ago

I've been figuring for a couple years now I'd have to abandon macs once my air dies. Apple seems bound and determined to shun developers and instead sell facebook machines.

nkkollaw 8y ago
Same here.
todd3834 8y ago
I am a developer and I love using a Mac. The stock terminal app has improved so much over the last few years that switching to any flavor of Linux always leaves me wanting Mac OS. It also seems like >90% of the developers at all of the companies I’ve worked use Macs. I’m sure that’s not the case for everyone but that’s been my experience. What has Apple done to make you feel this way? What am I missing? Disclaimer: my current laptop still has an ESC key also I used to work for Apple
- ddon 8y ago
  Few things - not updating hardware for years, pretty much no innovation on the desktop (both, hardware and software), getting rid of ports on recent laptops, not having touch screens, horrible cables [1], etc... [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+broken+cable&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+broken+cable&t=ffab&iax=imag...
  - timr 8y ago
    The same people who complain about hardware updates nearly always say, in the next breath, that they're using a Mac from five years ago. I'd like to see steady updates too, but perhaps we should all admit that updates aren't as essential as they used to be.
    - manicdee 8y ago
      I an still using a 2010 11” MacBook Air because there is no equivalent in the modern product range. I just want something light and portable for capturing photos from my cameras, culling the obviously crap ones, and transferring the remainder to storage. The 12” MacBook provides most of the functionality I want at three times the price. I can’t (for example) plug it in to power and storage at the same time without spending even more money on USB-C infrastructure.

plassma 8y ago

And complete their long slow transition from making computers to making appliances for web browsing and word processing

SiVal 8y ago
They don't care much about web browsing and care far less about word processing. They are making appliances as interfaces to services, with as many of the services as possible being ways to buy things from Apple. I'm not saying this to be cynical. I'm being quite literal that that is their business plan.
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callesgg 8y ago

For most romantics that should be enough. Essentially the same thing as a iPad with keyboard. ios is still to limited when it comes to usb storage but when that is "fixed" i belive 80% of all computer users could be satisfied with IOS. Neglecting the fact that users want torrent software and the likes.

vbezhenar 8y ago
Are you expecting iOS? I'm sure that they'll ship macOS. There were rumors about internal ARM build of macOS years ago.
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nordsieck 8y ago

> The company announced that its initial wave of 7nm chips will be available first to its data-center customers—who are driving its greatest revenue growth—not to the companies that build laptops and tablets. Intel said nothing of the sort, in large part because their upcoming process is called "10nm".

baby 8y ago

I can't read the article since it's behind some paywall, shouldn't these kind of links be banned from hackernews? I'm going to start flagging things from wsj.com consistently now.

geoalchimista 8y ago

Looks like my dream of having an MacBook Pro 15'' with octa-core Intel processors that support AVX512 and an Nvidia graphics card with which you can run CUDA will never come true. Now I just wish they could keep the Unix kernel of macOS, cuz I don't want a bigger iPad.

Bud 8y ago
iOS is also sitting atop Unix.

ofrzeta 8y ago

Really, I don't get why they just can't keep on doing incremental updates to the machines they have. I am still using a Macbook Air 2012. I am actually waiting for the successor to come out. This machine with 8GB and 512GB SSD is fine as it is. It might be boring but from what I know it is also what the majority of developers (or other users) want or need. Maybe NVM if there has to be some innovation. And maybe put some effort into keeping (or improving) the build quality. Can't be so hard. Oh, and fix the damn power supply cables for that matter (Magsafe is great but what about those cables)!