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Just a question. Who would they pay? I know a few people I might pay for that but only incidentally & I’ve worked in tech. for 20 years. Where would an average

Just a question. Who would they pay? I know a few people I might pay for that but only incidentally & I’ve worked in tech. for 20 years. Where would an average though maybe high priced attorney go to get advice other than “use signal & WhatsApp” if they knew they needed protection from a federal investigation?

mirimir 8y ago
Probably at least 20% of HN users, no? Edit: So are y'all dumping on me because my 20% estimate is too high, or too low?
- torstenvl 8y ago
  Okay so your answer is...
  - mirimir 8y ago
    There are many security researchers who could do that. Even I know the basic issues to address, even if I don't know all of the implementation specifics.
    - kasey_junk 8y ago
      Name one company you could call up and ask “hey I’m doing some dirt that might get me inestigated by the feds, can you secure my comms?” And they’d say yes. Now name one that an average attorney could find. I’m not picking on you, I’m serious. I have a couple of people I might ask, but if expect most of them to say “no thanks”
      - onetimemanytime 8y ago
        >>Name one company you could call up and ask “hey I’m doing some dirt that might get me inestigated by the feds, can you secure my comms?” And they’d say yes. No, "I'm doing sensitive work for a huge company and we fear that hackers are trying to penetrate our network and devices." How many would say yes now? Until the raid he was a big shot...and the personal "lawyer" to Trump.
        kasey_junk 8y ago
        I suppose we are now very much into personal bias. Mine suggests that until very recently working as a personal lawyer for a reality star & planning for the “normal” security concerns therein wouldn’t be something high end firms would do (nor things lawyers would ask for) as a matter of course. Remember by the time the feds come knocking it’s too late.
        onetimemanytime 8y ago
        Leave bias aside for a second: Trump (before election) is a high profile person, he does have a huge business with hundreds /thousands of employees and is worth at least billions. To want security is not just normal but a super smart move. If they pay, why wouldn't the top OPSEC companies tell them how to secure their devices? (Reading might do 99% of work though)
        mirimir 8y ago
        Or paying someone who's knowledgeable to read, and advise.
        kasey_junk 8y ago
        The billions number has always been in dispute, but I’m not suggesting he couldn’t pay some hypothetical person. I’m suggesting his roladex doesn’t have a specific person to call to do this & without this how do you get it done? I disagree with the assertion that reading gets the job done. He was using signal. He read something about encrypted messaging. When the feds came calling it wasn’t enough. You need highly specialized skills.
        onetimemanytime 8y ago
        The billions number has always been in dispute He's a braggart and not a great businessman considering the head-start he had, IMO, but that is irrelevant. Whether he has $3 billion or $10 Billion, he's still super rich, private jet rich for life. Even his children can sit by a beach house or two and live like kings for the rest of their lives. >>I disagree with the assertion that reading gets the job done. He was using signal. He read something about encrypted messaging. Signal message: "Joe, I'm sending a message so open Whatsapp and let me know when you're online...." "OK, time to kill Jimmy. The rest of the money will be there tomorrow." Delete it after it's read and...
      - gonesilent 8y ago
        Feel of them, just don't say your hiding from the feds.....http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/afp-seize-phones-as-part-of-phantom-secure-crackdown/9555652 http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/afp-seize-phones-as...
      - paulie_a 8y ago
        There was literally a company dedicated to exactly that got busted for exactly that. I am honestly too lazy to provide a reference on this Saturday morning, but you could have contacted them with: "hey I need secure communication about large quantities of cocaine/mdma/meth smuggling, what do you have that can help with that" Numerous people in that company outright went on the lamb. This happened extremely recently and the sinola cartel and Australian biker gangs were among their clients. It was covered on risky.biz podcast Edit: the Canadians actually did ask them about secure communication for cocaine smuggling
subpixel 8y ago
Well the Russians are pretty good with computers. I mention this only half-facetiously.
karambahh 8y ago
I'm probably able to give this kind of advice myself but I certainly know a few C-levels at public companies listed on Eurostoxx 50 that don't have the proper digital practices I have more than a couple times witnessed and thought "are you actually exchanging highly sensitive information with your board while using an open wifi in the same room as 5 of your direct competitiors, their staff and 1k random guys like me?" They can ask legal or IT but either way it will end up being a project relegated on a larger roadmap and will not be properly implemented in a timely manner. I guess what I'm looking for is a piece written by a reputable source (from their POV) such as Bloomberg or the WSJ. Any ideas?

mirimir 8y ago

Probably at least 20% of HN users, no? Edit: So are y'all dumping on me because my 20% estimate is too high, or too low?

torstenvl 8y ago
Okay so your answer is...
- mirimir 8y ago
  There are many security researchers who could do that. Even I know the basic issues to address, even if I don't know all of the implementation specifics.
  - kasey_junk 8y ago
    Name one company you could call up and ask “hey I’m doing some dirt that might get me inestigated by the feds, can you secure my comms?” And they’d say yes. Now name one that an average attorney could find. I’m not picking on you, I’m serious. I have a couple of people I might ask, but if expect most of them to say “no thanks”
    - onetimemanytime 8y ago
      >>Name one company you could call up and ask “hey I’m doing some dirt that might get me inestigated by the feds, can you secure my comms?” And they’d say yes. No, "I'm doing sensitive work for a huge company and we fear that hackers are trying to penetrate our network and devices." How many would say yes now? Until the raid he was a big shot...and the personal "lawyer" to Trump.
      - kasey_junk 8y ago
        I suppose we are now very much into personal bias. Mine suggests that until very recently working as a personal lawyer for a reality star & planning for the “normal” security concerns therein wouldn’t be something high end firms would do (nor things lawyers would ask for) as a matter of course. Remember by the time the feds come knocking it’s too late.
        onetimemanytime 8y ago
        Leave bias aside for a second: Trump (before election) is a high profile person, he does have a huge business with hundreds /thousands of employees and is worth at least billions. To want security is not just normal but a super smart move. If they pay, why wouldn't the top OPSEC companies tell them how to secure their devices? (Reading might do 99% of work though)
        mirimir 8y ago
        Or paying someone who's knowledgeable to read, and advise.
        kasey_junk 8y ago
        The billions number has always been in dispute, but I’m not suggesting he couldn’t pay some hypothetical person. I’m suggesting his roladex doesn’t have a specific person to call to do this & without this how do you get it done? I disagree with the assertion that reading gets the job done. He was using signal. He read something about encrypted messaging. When the feds came calling it wasn’t enough. You need highly specialized skills.
        onetimemanytime 8y ago
        The billions number has always been in dispute He's a braggart and not a great businessman considering the head-start he had, IMO, but that is irrelevant. Whether he has $3 billion or $10 Billion, he's still super rich, private jet rich for life. Even his children can sit by a beach house or two and live like kings for the rest of their lives. >>I disagree with the assertion that reading gets the job done. He was using signal. He read something about encrypted messaging. Signal message: "Joe, I'm sending a message so open Whatsapp and let me know when you're online...." "OK, time to kill Jimmy. The rest of the money will be there tomorrow." Delete it after it's read and...
    - gonesilent 8y ago
      Feel of them, just don't say your hiding from the feds.....http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/afp-seize-phones-as-part-of-phantom-secure-crackdown/9555652 http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-16/afp-seize-phones-as...
    - paulie_a 8y ago
      There was literally a company dedicated to exactly that got busted for exactly that. I am honestly too lazy to provide a reference on this Saturday morning, but you could have contacted them with: "hey I need secure communication about large quantities of cocaine/mdma/meth smuggling, what do you have that can help with that" Numerous people in that company outright went on the lamb. This happened extremely recently and the sinola cartel and Australian biker gangs were among their clients. It was covered on risky.biz podcast Edit: the Canadians actually did ask them about secure communication for cocaine smuggling

subpixel 8y ago

Well the Russians are pretty good with computers. I mention this only half-facetiously.

karambahh 8y ago

I'm probably able to give this kind of advice myself but I certainly know a few C-levels at public companies listed on Eurostoxx 50 that don't have the proper digital practices I have more than a couple times witnessed and thought "are you actually exchanging highly sensitive information with your board while using an open wifi in the same room as 5 of your direct competitiors, their staff and 1k random guys like me?" They can ask legal or IT but either way it will end up being a project relegated on a larger roadmap and will not be properly implemented in a timely manner. I guess what I'm looking for is a piece written by a reputable source (from their POV) such as Bloomberg or the WSJ. Any ideas?