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GitHub Import Statistics

44 points by kevindeasis 8y ago

piinbinary 8y ago
Making their grafana dashboard public is an interesting move.
- scrollaway 8y ago
  It is. I love it. Extreme transparency is a norm I hope to see become more and more common in the coming years/decades; extending the open source principles beyond the code. Gitlab is exemplary there. Mozilla is very good at it as well. Another company I've recently found out about and gained a massive amount of respect for is Buffer. https://buffer.com/transparency https://buffer.com/transparency
Animats 8y ago
You only have to import a repository once.
- mikece 8y ago
  In terms of code hosting, you can always have two remotes and push to both. Since this config would only be known on developer machines there's no way to know if GitLab is getting true converts or just a bunch of people kicking the tires while the real work is still happening elsewhere and might never move for real.
  - rurban 8y ago
    My `g pum` alias pushes master to 4 remotes. GNU dislikes GitHub and has 2 gitlab instances plus their primary savannah git hosting. I don't care, GitHub is still the best to work with internally.
- scrollaway 8y ago
  Right. And the graph shows gitlab has actually gained quite a bit of stable growth there. https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgId=1&from=now-30d&to=now&panelId=5&fullscreen https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgI... They went from an avg of 0.2-0.5 to 2-5 per minute. That's 10x the repositories imported. I wonder how many repositories a new user usually brings in.
- shittyadmin 8y ago
  Yes, it'd probably be better to look at their Grafana stats on web requests to see if people are staying around. To me it looks to be up a decent bit, but less than you'd expect from a proper mass exodus event.
matchagaucho 8y ago
What are the reasons for distrusting Microsoft to be good stewards?
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- yardie 8y ago
  Some battered spouses never go back no matter how many roses and chocolates they buy.
- minikites 8y ago
  As far as I can tell, it's because they did some bad things in 1995 and therefore can never be trusted again.
  - hew 8y ago
    Not just 1995. Windows 10 spyware/crapware is a fundamental violation of the customer's interests in my book. EDIT: is/was, I've heard they turned some of it down supposedly.
  - Retric 8y ago
    Skype was far more recent than 1995. They have integrated a lot of companies over time and some have done vastly better than others. The risk may be low, but the impact is high enough many are just going to jump asap.
  - danbmil99 8y ago
    If you lived through that time, you wouldn't be so flippant
- plandis 8y ago
  Embrace, extend, and extinguish. Microsoft has spent like 4 years building up good will after destroying trust in them for the past 20. Trust is easily lost and is hard to earn.
mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Looks like in the low 10s of thousands of projects over a period of around 7-8 days. Would be interesting to see how many GitHub stars that equates to, or if you assigned a metric to a GitHub project by counting number of unique contributors, and then aggregated that across the Gitlab import data. This might mostly reflect the values of projects or single maintainers who place a super high priority on Microsoft-avoidance. Many more people might migrate though after waiting a while to see if Microsoft begins trying to push any agendas through GitHub. I for one am super happy to stay with GitHub as long as no part of it starts to feel like there is any type of Azure agenda, VS agenda, etc. Keep my tooling, CI, deployment, etc., choices separate from the git platform, and I'm fine with it being a Microsoft subsidiary. The minute that changes, I'll move all my code.
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  It takes time to organise changes for a team/project, surely that would suggest most early transfers will be individuals repos. Also people are likely to shift smaller projects first to be sure there are no complications.
ggg9990 8y ago
I have never seen one of these Silicon Valley “boycotts” have any effect whatsoever.
- zelon88 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure if Microsoft still had 95% PC OS market share they would be a much bigger (crappier) company today than they are. If a group of people get annoyed with a product they will flock to the next available one and drive that business to become competition. So while you don't get that instant gratification of being pissed and getting results you do force companies to make changes. People suffered through IE for years, and when Chrome came around it practically took IE's market share overnight because people were so willing to blindly abandon IE.
  - ggg9990 8y ago
    But that’s one product beating another. It happens all the time. I’m talking about a departure from a product for ethical / philosophical reasons.
onyva 8y ago
The relevant data is how many new projects (open source) will open on github in the future. I’ve delted my account and no longer collaborate on project who are left on github. What’s important is open source. Microsoft is an acceptable option to many still, no matter how bad it proves to be, over and again.
octorian 8y ago
Its easy to forget that Microsoft hasn't actually taken over control of GitHub yet. The big announcement was that they have entered into an agreement to acquire GitHub, after slogging through (perhaps) months of legal, accounting, and regulatory paperwork. There very well may be more bumps in that graph, as the news sinks in, and when the deal actually closes.
BinaryIdiot 8y ago
I'd be curious to look at the list ported over and see if anything moved really mattered. The whole boycott was nonsense anyway. Microsoft has only agreed to buy GitHub; they can't actually buy and own it for about 6 months. So even if you had a legit fear of Microsoft, why would you even bother yet? Anything of importance on GitHub is going to take a while to move over anyway which is why I suspect the majority of these "moves" were people moving over repos that no one cares about. Microsoft's cloud business is up and coming and is already worth many billions of dollars. They are not going to jeopardize user trust, which could harm Azure, by messing with your little GitHub project.
- philwelch 8y ago
  There may be some people migrating from GitHub to boycott Microsoft, but most of the old guard free software folks weren't on GitHub to begin with. I think the biggest concern is just a lack of trust that Microsoft will fuck things up out of incompetence rather than malice. Another rationale is that, even if you reason it through and conclude that Microsoft isn't going to screw it up at all, the mere risk of GitHub being a SPOF is enough to support some alternatives. That might be a risk that existed pre-acquisition, but it's definitely come to attention. Also, GitLab has been getting better and better for awhile and capitalized on this really well from a marketing standpoint; let's give them some credit instead of assuming it's purely a negative reaction to GitHub and Microsoft.
  - seba_dos1 8y ago
    > but most of the old guard free software folks weren't on GitHub to begin with This is important to remember. Some people were also openly hesitant to GitHub, but used it anyway due to its network effect. This seems like a perfect moment to reevaluate.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  > Anything of importance on GitHub is going to take a while to move over anyway Actually, not really. The importer is very good, issues and PR/MRs get moved over. The only adjustments have to be to CI if you used Travis.
textmode 8y ago
Original title: The "mass exodus" from GitHub to GitLab: 10 days later
asdsa5325 8y ago
Graphs aren't working right now
pvtmert 8y ago
I was already started do moving to my own (a-la VPS on digitalocean) this just added some extra velocity to it. its not that i dont like github, i do. But keeping internet decentralized is important (imho). Also given that I live in Turkey, government can block all github just because someone shares bad stuff about current leaders in gist. (ps. they did block google drive because someone posted some photographs/documents) Many people here using somehow their own vps, just adding push-hook to sync with other github/gitlab is not a trivial thing. tl;dr: push to your repo, sync with cloud providers' one.

44 points by kevindeasis 8y ago

piinbinary 8y ago

Making their grafana dashboard public is an interesting move.

scrollaway 8y ago
It is. I love it. Extreme transparency is a norm I hope to see become more and more common in the coming years/decades; extending the open source principles beyond the code. Gitlab is exemplary there. Mozilla is very good at it as well. Another company I've recently found out about and gained a massive amount of respect for is Buffer. https://buffer.com/transparency https://buffer.com/transparency

Animats 8y ago

You only have to import a repository once.

mikece 8y ago
In terms of code hosting, you can always have two remotes and push to both. Since this config would only be known on developer machines there's no way to know if GitLab is getting true converts or just a bunch of people kicking the tires while the real work is still happening elsewhere and might never move for real.
- rurban 8y ago
  My `g pum` alias pushes master to 4 remotes. GNU dislikes GitHub and has 2 gitlab instances plus their primary savannah git hosting. I don't care, GitHub is still the best to work with internally.
scrollaway 8y ago
Right. And the graph shows gitlab has actually gained quite a bit of stable growth there. https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgId=1&from=now-30d&to=now&panelId=5&fullscreen https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgI... They went from an avg of 0.2-0.5 to 2-5 per minute. That's 10x the repositories imported. I wonder how many repositories a new user usually brings in.
shittyadmin 8y ago
Yes, it'd probably be better to look at their Grafana stats on web requests to see if people are staying around. To me it looks to be up a decent bit, but less than you'd expect from a proper mass exodus event.

matchagaucho 8y ago

What are the reasons for distrusting Microsoft to be good stewards?

deleted 8y ago
[deleted]
yardie 8y ago
Some battered spouses never go back no matter how many roses and chocolates they buy.
minikites 8y ago
As far as I can tell, it's because they did some bad things in 1995 and therefore can never be trusted again.
- hew 8y ago
  Not just 1995. Windows 10 spyware/crapware is a fundamental violation of the customer's interests in my book. EDIT: is/was, I've heard they turned some of it down supposedly.
- Retric 8y ago
  Skype was far more recent than 1995. They have integrated a lot of companies over time and some have done vastly better than others. The risk may be low, but the impact is high enough many are just going to jump asap.
- danbmil99 8y ago
  If you lived through that time, you wouldn't be so flippant
plandis 8y ago
Embrace, extend, and extinguish. Microsoft has spent like 4 years building up good will after destroying trust in them for the past 20. Trust is easily lost and is hard to earn.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

Looks like in the low 10s of thousands of projects over a period of around 7-8 days. Would be interesting to see how many GitHub stars that equates to, or if you assigned a metric to a GitHub project by counting number of unique contributors, and then aggregated that across the Gitlab import data. This might mostly reflect the values of projects or single maintainers who place a super high priority on Microsoft-avoidance. Many more people might migrate though after waiting a while to see if Microsoft begins trying to push any agendas through GitHub. I for one am super happy to stay with GitHub as long as no part of it starts to feel like there is any type of Azure agenda, VS agenda, etc. Keep my tooling, CI, deployment, etc., choices separate from the git platform, and I'm fine with it being a Microsoft subsidiary. The minute that changes, I'll move all my code.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
It takes time to organise changes for a team/project, surely that would suggest most early transfers will be individuals repos. Also people are likely to shift smaller projects first to be sure there are no complications.

ggg9990 8y ago

I have never seen one of these Silicon Valley “boycotts” have any effect whatsoever.

zelon88 8y ago
I'm pretty sure if Microsoft still had 95% PC OS market share they would be a much bigger (crappier) company today than they are. If a group of people get annoyed with a product they will flock to the next available one and drive that business to become competition. So while you don't get that instant gratification of being pissed and getting results you do force companies to make changes. People suffered through IE for years, and when Chrome came around it practically took IE's market share overnight because people were so willing to blindly abandon IE.
- ggg9990 8y ago
  But that’s one product beating another. It happens all the time. I’m talking about a departure from a product for ethical / philosophical reasons.

onyva 8y ago

The relevant data is how many new projects (open source) will open on github in the future. I’ve delted my account and no longer collaborate on project who are left on github. What’s important is open source. Microsoft is an acceptable option to many still, no matter how bad it proves to be, over and again.

octorian 8y ago

Its easy to forget that Microsoft hasn't actually taken over control of GitHub yet. The big announcement was that they have entered into an agreement to acquire GitHub, after slogging through (perhaps) months of legal, accounting, and regulatory paperwork. There very well may be more bumps in that graph, as the news sinks in, and when the deal actually closes.

BinaryIdiot 8y ago

I'd be curious to look at the list ported over and see if anything moved really mattered. The whole boycott was nonsense anyway. Microsoft has only agreed to buy GitHub; they can't actually buy and own it for about 6 months. So even if you had a legit fear of Microsoft, why would you even bother yet? Anything of importance on GitHub is going to take a while to move over anyway which is why I suspect the majority of these "moves" were people moving over repos that no one cares about. Microsoft's cloud business is up and coming and is already worth many billions of dollars. They are not going to jeopardize user trust, which could harm Azure, by messing with your little GitHub project.

philwelch 8y ago
There may be some people migrating from GitHub to boycott Microsoft, but most of the old guard free software folks weren't on GitHub to begin with. I think the biggest concern is just a lack of trust that Microsoft will fuck things up out of incompetence rather than malice. Another rationale is that, even if you reason it through and conclude that Microsoft isn't going to screw it up at all, the mere risk of GitHub being a SPOF is enough to support some alternatives. That might be a risk that existed pre-acquisition, but it's definitely come to attention. Also, GitLab has been getting better and better for awhile and capitalized on this really well from a marketing standpoint; let's give them some credit instead of assuming it's purely a negative reaction to GitHub and Microsoft.
- seba_dos1 8y ago
  > but most of the old guard free software folks weren't on GitHub to begin with This is important to remember. Some people were also openly hesitant to GitHub, but used it anyway due to its network effect. This seems like a perfect moment to reevaluate.
craftyguy 8y ago
> Anything of importance on GitHub is going to take a while to move over anyway Actually, not really. The importer is very good, issues and PR/MRs get moved over. The only adjustments have to be to CI if you used Travis.

textmode 8y ago

Original title: The "mass exodus" from GitHub to GitLab: 10 days later

asdsa5325 8y ago

Graphs aren't working right now

pvtmert 8y ago

I was already started do moving to my own (a-la VPS on digitalocean) this just added some extra velocity to it. its not that i dont like github, i do. But keeping internet decentralized is important (imho). Also given that I live in Turkey, government can block all github just because someone shares bad stuff about current leaders in gist. (ps. they did block google drive because someone posted some photographs/documents) Many people here using somehow their own vps, just adding push-hook to sync with other github/gitlab is not a trivial thing. tl;dr: push to your repo, sync with cloud providers' one.