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Talk about unnecessary cruelty, lemmings are quite cute creatures, can't imagine what was going thru their heads ("the Disney filmmakers") when they threw all t

Talk about unnecessary cruelty, lemmings are quite cute creatures, can't imagine what was going thru their heads ("the Disney filmmakers") when they threw all those lemmings off a cliff to their deaths for a film.

afterburner 8y ago
This'll look good! And it's what management expects!
dmix 8y ago
> lemmings are quite cute creatures The most important attribute for animal rights causes it seems. If Facebook campaigns are any measure...
- cnasc 8y ago
  I had an environmental ethics professor in college. Her pet cause was the plight of the atlantic bluefin tuna. She frequently lamented that only the cute animals get any real support.
  - biztos 8y ago
    And yet we eat both bunnies (cute) and pigs (arguably not cute). Fish, though, yeah, they're not getting any cuteness bonus. Not much outcry about "factory farming" in aquaculture. I have recently, and irrationally, stopped eating octopus because they're so smart. Maybe some viral videos of tuna doing amazing things would help...
    - codycraven 8y ago
      Only you can prevent blob fish hatred.
    - rusk 8y ago
      > and pigs (arguably not cute). Ah come on![0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBJgCDBx2bU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBJgCDBx2bU EDIT: P.S. > Not much outcry about "factory farming" in aquaculture. I try not to eat Salmon; it's pretty much always farmed, often in ugly conditions which is a travesty for such a noble creature.
      - krageon 8y ago
        If you're going to eat salmon anyway (and lots of people do), it's much less destructive to eat it factory farmed. This actually goes for every single fish.
        rusk 8y ago
        This is completely true, but don't be kidding yourself you're eating something you're not!
        jlebrech 8y ago
        factory farming contributes to ocean dead zones
        rusk 8y ago
        how so?
        garmaine 8y ago
        ...how?
        rusk 8y ago
        There's a kind of a compromise going on here. Wild Salmon stocks are limited and were it not for farming demand would outstrip what's available. Apparently the tradeoff here is "dead zones" in the ocean unfortunately. Of course, as I say, the farmed salmon is not the same fish as the wild one. The flesh is dyed pink. The flavour doesn't benefit from the wild salmon's varied diet, and the texture isn't developed by all that swimming upstream. There is a very wide variance in the quality of farmed salmon too, to the point where you really can't be sure what you're eating unless you actually know the farm it's coming from. I've heard it said that farmed salmon carries little of the health benefits of wild salmon. Personally I'd prefer to just pay a lot to eat salmon very rarely than to eat farmed salmon frequently. But everywhere you go there is otherwise indiscriminate demand.
- musage 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness Even animals react to it. A live and let live attitude (if not one of protectiveness) towards harmless/cute living things is perfectly healthy it seems.
- raverbashing 8y ago
  You play the hands you are dealt. How many species have gone extinct for purely natural reasons again? Humans are a non-linear term in the equation, but the idea of an untouched and immutable nature is incorrect.
Aunche 8y ago
They actually threw the lemmings in the Bow river rather than the sea, so it's likely that most of them actually survived.
rusk 8y ago
> can't imagine what was going thru their heads "Imma make lots of money from this"
paidleaf 8y ago
Cruelty was par for the course when it came to nature documentaries unfortunately. Most nature documentaries of the past were staged. One of the most infamous one was where they would trap and drug jaguars and them dump them on the riverbank and wait for caimans to kill it. https://youtu.be/huGJmQU4Piw?t=159 https://youtu.be/huGJmQU4Piw?t=159 Notice how the jaguar can't move from that spot even with a bunch of large caiman right in front of it? It's almost like one of the jaguar's paws were pinned down to keep it in one spot. Wonder why? Could it be cameras were heavy and clunky contraptions back then that you could realistically focus on one area at a time? Can't capture jaguar footage if the jaguar is allowed to move out of frame. Or it was drugged so much that it had no idea what was going on.

afterburner 8y ago

This'll look good! And it's what management expects!

dmix 8y ago

> lemmings are quite cute creatures The most important attribute for animal rights causes it seems. If Facebook campaigns are any measure...

cnasc 8y ago
I had an environmental ethics professor in college. Her pet cause was the plight of the atlantic bluefin tuna. She frequently lamented that only the cute animals get any real support.
- biztos 8y ago
  And yet we eat both bunnies (cute) and pigs (arguably not cute). Fish, though, yeah, they're not getting any cuteness bonus. Not much outcry about "factory farming" in aquaculture. I have recently, and irrationally, stopped eating octopus because they're so smart. Maybe some viral videos of tuna doing amazing things would help...
  - codycraven 8y ago
    Only you can prevent blob fish hatred.
  - rusk 8y ago
    > and pigs (arguably not cute). Ah come on![0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBJgCDBx2bU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBJgCDBx2bU EDIT: P.S. > Not much outcry about "factory farming" in aquaculture. I try not to eat Salmon; it's pretty much always farmed, often in ugly conditions which is a travesty for such a noble creature.
    - krageon 8y ago
      If you're going to eat salmon anyway (and lots of people do), it's much less destructive to eat it factory farmed. This actually goes for every single fish.
      - rusk 8y ago
        This is completely true, but don't be kidding yourself you're eating something you're not!
      - jlebrech 8y ago
        factory farming contributes to ocean dead zones
        rusk 8y ago
        how so?
        garmaine 8y ago
        ...how?
        rusk 8y ago
        There's a kind of a compromise going on here. Wild Salmon stocks are limited and were it not for farming demand would outstrip what's available. Apparently the tradeoff here is "dead zones" in the ocean unfortunately. Of course, as I say, the farmed salmon is not the same fish as the wild one. The flesh is dyed pink. The flavour doesn't benefit from the wild salmon's varied diet, and the texture isn't developed by all that swimming upstream. There is a very wide variance in the quality of farmed salmon too, to the point where you really can't be sure what you're eating unless you actually know the farm it's coming from. I've heard it said that farmed salmon carries little of the health benefits of wild salmon. Personally I'd prefer to just pay a lot to eat salmon very rarely than to eat farmed salmon frequently. But everywhere you go there is otherwise indiscriminate demand.
musage 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness Even animals react to it. A live and let live attitude (if not one of protectiveness) towards harmless/cute living things is perfectly healthy it seems.
raverbashing 8y ago
You play the hands you are dealt. How many species have gone extinct for purely natural reasons again? Humans are a non-linear term in the equation, but the idea of an untouched and immutable nature is incorrect.

Aunche 8y ago

They actually threw the lemmings in the Bow river rather than the sea, so it's likely that most of them actually survived.

rusk 8y ago

> can't imagine what was going thru their heads "Imma make lots of money from this"

paidleaf 8y ago

Cruelty was par for the course when it came to nature documentaries unfortunately. Most nature documentaries of the past were staged. One of the most infamous one was where they would trap and drug jaguars and them dump them on the riverbank and wait for caimans to kill it. https://youtu.be/huGJmQU4Piw?t=159 https://youtu.be/huGJmQU4Piw?t=159 Notice how the jaguar can't move from that spot even with a bunch of large caiman right in front of it? It's almost like one of the jaguar's paws were pinned down to keep it in one spot. Wonder why? Could it be cameras were heavy and clunky contraptions back then that you could realistically focus on one area at a time? Can't capture jaguar footage if the jaguar is allowed to move out of frame. Or it was drugged so much that it had no idea what was going on.