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Can you describe what that harm is? If a picture is copied to 100 recipients, does the harm multiply by 100 times also? How is that information communicated to

Can you describe what that harm is? If a picture is copied to 100 recipients, does the harm multiply by 100 times also? How is that information communicated to the victim? I can imagine this being the case for defamation. 100 people being told "Johnny is a thief" might cause 100 times as much harm to Johnny's social interactions as 1 person being told that. But how does it work for child porn?

allenz 8y ago
Consider it as if you were a child victim. Imagine coming across these pictures of your abuse, or your family coming across these pictures. Or your coworkers. Or strangers. The pictures reenact the crime, invoking shame, dread, and helplessness. Here are some stories: https://redd.it/8af7io https://redd.it/8af7io, http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/a-victim-of-child-pornography-doesnt-get-to-forget/2156937 http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/a-victim-of-chi.... As a moral principle, it should not be legal to share these exploitative pictures. In terms of information, every copy of a picture increases the probability that it comes back to haunt the victim. Finally, many viewers of child pornography find the pictures horrible or even traumatic. Many people are unfazed, but some experience nightmares or severe anxiety, especially investigators and moderators: https://www.wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/ https://www.wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/.
- cfadvan 8y ago
  To the first part, it’s hard to imagine someone “stumbling across” child pornography by accident. The first post you linked is more realistic, in that she’s talking about knowing the images still exist, are still in collections and in that sense she’s still victimized. Unlocking some phones isn’t going to change that, nothing will. She’s not seeing it herself, she just knows that since it was distributed, it’s impossible to take it all back. I agree that it shouldn’t be legal to possess or share child pornography, but I don’t think it’s a justification for mass invasion of privacy either. When someone is detected with child porn they should be in legal jeapordy, but we don’t need to kill crypto to make that happen.
  - allenz 8y ago
    Many victims try to find out how their pictures are being shared, as in my second link, because they feel that knowing is better than not knowing. And considering how awful it must feel to know, I think that really says something. Privacy rights are also important, and I agree with you that police should respect those rights when investigating child pornography, just as with any other crime.
jstarfish 8y ago
The existing victims are irrelevant; the idea is that by reducing the supply, demand will also diminish. Communities that end up decimated by drugs tend to have had easy access to them in the years earlier. Drugs and porn both fulfill a cycle of progressively weaker dopamine rushes. Once a user gets to the point where they need the hard stuff, theyll eventually need harder and this drives demand for further proliferation and production of new content-- the worst possible outcome is the increase of both consumers and producers in the market.
- throwmeawayplz2 8y ago
  Citation needed that this holds true for cp

allenz 8y ago

Consider it as if you were a child victim. Imagine coming across these pictures of your abuse, or your family coming across these pictures. Or your coworkers. Or strangers. The pictures reenact the crime, invoking shame, dread, and helplessness. Here are some stories: https://redd.it/8af7io https://redd.it/8af7io, http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/a-victim-of-child-pornography-doesnt-get-to-forget/2156937 http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/a-victim-of-chi.... As a moral principle, it should not be legal to share these exploitative pictures. In terms of information, every copy of a picture increases the probability that it comes back to haunt the victim. Finally, many viewers of child pornography find the pictures horrible or even traumatic. Many people are unfazed, but some experience nightmares or severe anxiety, especially investigators and moderators: https://www.wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/ https://www.wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/.

cfadvan 8y ago
To the first part, it’s hard to imagine someone “stumbling across” child pornography by accident. The first post you linked is more realistic, in that she’s talking about knowing the images still exist, are still in collections and in that sense she’s still victimized. Unlocking some phones isn’t going to change that, nothing will. She’s not seeing it herself, she just knows that since it was distributed, it’s impossible to take it all back. I agree that it shouldn’t be legal to possess or share child pornography, but I don’t think it’s a justification for mass invasion of privacy either. When someone is detected with child porn they should be in legal jeapordy, but we don’t need to kill crypto to make that happen.
- allenz 8y ago
  Many victims try to find out how their pictures are being shared, as in my second link, because they feel that knowing is better than not knowing. And considering how awful it must feel to know, I think that really says something. Privacy rights are also important, and I agree with you that police should respect those rights when investigating child pornography, just as with any other crime.

jstarfish 8y ago

The existing victims are irrelevant; the idea is that by reducing the supply, demand will also diminish. Communities that end up decimated by drugs tend to have had easy access to them in the years earlier. Drugs and porn both fulfill a cycle of progressively weaker dopamine rushes. Once a user gets to the point where they need the hard stuff, theyll eventually need harder and this drives demand for further proliferation and production of new content-- the worst possible outcome is the increase of both consumers and producers in the market.

throwmeawayplz2 8y ago
Citation needed that this holds true for cp