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Attitudes matter in an aging world
- Madmallard 8y agoHealthier people have better attitudes.
- s-shellfish 8y agoThat's circular.
- RegBarclay 8y agoPositive feedback cycle?
- s-shellfish 8y agoIt's still a divide, social attitudes can shape behavior and health just as much. Honestly, I don't know how to be positive about this. Some people experience events in life that are beyond their control, that shape their attitudes. Those attitudes may be judged by a 'healthy attitude' population as 'unhealthy attitudes'. This ostracizes a portion of the population and can lead to a negative feedback cycle for an individual, because they literally can't learn how to have a 'healthy attitude'. The best they can do likely, is be neutral (i.e. compromise). Empathy and awareness are 'healthy' too, even if for the moment, it affects that positive feedback loop you've got in your mind. It's the minutia that don't matter, and when it comes to judgement of attitudes, it's honestly extremely difficult to differentiate between overall trends and insignificant correlative details in practice. The person with the 'unhealthy attitude' may just be wearing a mask of someone they were heavily influenced by, and they may simply not have the resources or the 'luck' to have encountered learning otherwise. All of this can be incredibly draining and isn't your duty or obligation to 'correct', but I think that's where acceptance and tolerance come in. My point is not everyone has to have the same style mind in order to be considered 'healthy'. People can survive (quite contently) without constantly thinking positive and having to outwardly serve as proxies to reinforce attitudes so we can all convince ourselves 'we are happy and healthy and the future will be swell'. You need all types of people in life to have the world function and improve. Honestly sometimes I think some people can become terrified to be anything besides positive, and that limits their freedom of speech and ability to grow.
- loco5niner 8y ago> Some people experience events in life that are beyond their control, that shape their attitudes. I would say, rather, that peoples attitudes shape their responses to events in life that are beyond their control.
- s-shellfish 8y agoI think that's an attitude that's based on how one sees one's sense of self. If you have to function primarily by basically, being reminded of yourself through people who act like you used to, then you don't have the same perception of what a self is, or what an attitude is. Because you see how attitudes build through attitudes beyond your control.
- ForRealsies 8y agoStudies show that happiness is more indicative of achieving success, than achieving success is of happiness. https://www.ted.com/talks/shawn_achor_the_happy_secret_to_better_work https://www.ted.com/talks/shawn_achor_the_happy_secret_to_be...
- loco5niner 8y agoYes, it is circular by nature.
- s-shellfish 8y agoAnd when you split something into 2 components, 'healthy' and 'unhealthy' and both are circular by nature, what happens, besides the obvious affect on you and everyone you identify with?
- adrianN 8y agoPerhaps people who have a good attitude about old age are more likely to have had the experience of healthy parents and grandparents and thus are more likely to have genes that lead to a long healthspan.
- Ntrails 8y agoMy attitude to getting old is extremely tightly linked to my expectation of it following the shape that my father's later life did. I've seen what is likely coming, and the only changes which matter are to lifestyle - not attitude.
- randyrand 8y agoCorrelation =/= causation. Can't be said often enough.
- zeofig 8y agoCame here to post this.
- onion2k 8y agoSometimes correlation isn't causation, but if we just say "correlation =/= causation" every time something happens we'll never discover anything. If two things are correlated it's at least worth investigating further, and quite often turns out to be a causal link.
- adrianN 8y agoI'm reasonably sure that the set of things that are correlated is much, much larger than the set of things that have a causal relationship. Check for example http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
- onion2k 8y agoThe number of things that aren't correlated is waaaaaaay bigger. It's still worth investigating when there's a possible link.
- AznHisoka 8y agoAnd its definitely worth examining if there is a rational, simple hypothesis that implies a relationship between the two. Here, that is clearly the case: could what you think about something impact your health? It doesnt seem like such a stretch to believe so (see placebos, etc) On the other hand, if you found a correlation between butter exports in India and mortality rates, you probably shouldnt dig further into whether there’s a causation relationship. It fails the Occam’s Razor test missrably.
- slx26 8y agoYou are right, but in my opinion the page/writer completely fails when they don't explain and clearly state that the possibility of "correlation =/= causation" exists. And it fails because we lose 80% of the people to blind belief towards what the article says, and from the other 20%, 15% are saying "correlation =/= causation", and a 4% like you are saying in response: "sure, but that's something we need to investigate to tell". I understand that the balance between science and selling the science is hard, but it can be done, and imho they could be doing it better.
- newnewpdro 8y agoI wish more people would continue living youthfully into adulthood, and continue to do so for as long as possible, with the limits of old age being an emergent phenomenon forced onto them rather than something they unwittingly eagerly pursued through laziness and boredom. If you ride a bicycle every day, barring some injury forcing a prolonged break, you'll continue to be able to deep into old age. Anything we practice regularly we retain the ability to do. "Use it or lose it." My fellow Americans in general tend to cease most physical activity once they get a driver's license. From that point on, it's a life of sitting in chairs of various forms, day in, day out. The body adapts to this, and by their 30s it's already non-trivial just to sit on the floor and get back up unassisted. Don't stop playing outside, riding bicycles, running, frolicking, all the behaviors of youth - don't stop just because you're an "adult". Do this all, do it as much as possible, all of your life, until you're physically unable. This, in my opinion, is the dominant factor in aging well.
- amelius 8y agoYes. And I think we should follow the example of animals here. E.g. an old chimpanzee never thinks: I'm old, so I better not climb that tree.
- bogle 8y agoThere was a good article in The Guardian last week[1] about Laird Hamilton the surfer and his older pal Don who at 83 still rides his mountain bike and surfs his paddle board. Laird Hamilton is an exceptional guy but Don shows what we could all attempt with a good attitude. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17301633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17301633
- kaybe 8y agoI wish there were more free playgrounds that can also be used by adults, spread around like the ones for kids. I also like ropeways, climbing high, swings etc. Instead adults get boring repetive-movement fitness equipment.
- KozmoNau7 8y agoMaybe I'm just lucky, but there is outdoor "gym" gear in plenty of places where I live, free to use for anyone. Including monkey bars and such. As for specifically fitness as an activity, there is plenty of types of exercise that favor body weight exercises and free weights over machines. Crossfit is obviously the big trendy one, but there are many other types out there.
- janwillemb 8y ago"people who have a positive attitude about getting older, live longer" The conclusion might as well be the other way round: people who have health problems when getting older are more likely to have a negative attitude about getting older and will probably die at a younger age than people without health issues.
- Angostura 8y agoExcept there's no suggestion that the people who were thinking negatively about old age actually had worse health at that stage. The headline is rather misleading, the study suggested that where older people are more respected in a society, they tend to live longer.
- ataturk 8y agoStupid article. Is there any age at which having a positive attitude isn't overall helpful? The issue with old age is the random serious illness lottery and really nothing else.
- kerrsclyde 8y agoI think one of the best ways to maintain youth and health in your advancing years is to continue to work.
- gaius 8y agomaintain youth and health in your advancing years is to continue to work. Define “work”. Manual labour? Sitting in an office? Both have negative health impacts. The sort of work that prolongs quality of life is only a subset of the work there is economic demand for. A job which is active but not strenuous, basically. Most jobs are either physically hard work or mainly sedentary, with not much in between.
- barrkel 8y agoWork: a purpose for being, and making you feel socially useful.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoWhere do you get that these days? It's increasingly hard to find it on the job market.
- tonyedgecombe 8y agoIn an industry averse to employing older workers it’s probably a mistake to rely on your employer to provide meaning to your life.