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Splitting LA and OC is idiotic. OC is the suburbs of LA. Of course the whole thing is fairly unlikely and not really a good idea.

by api 8y ago

mc32 8y ago
Not really, DC and Virginia are well integrated (economically). Northern New Jersey and NYC are integrated, despite state borders, so much so they even have common government bodies like the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. I’m all for states to split if it makes sense. Texas, New York (upstate vs downstate), and of course California. The needs are too disparate and varied and could be better served by more attuned regional governments. I know I’ll seriously consider voting for the split. The politics are way too dysfunctional at the state level.
- m_ke 8y ago
  I wouldn't call Jersey and NYC well integrated. If Jersey City was part of New York we'd be able to take the subway to Newark . Instead we get to deal with fake traffic on the GW because Jersey decided to elect Chris Christie. As a New Yorker I'd be all for trading upstate NYC for part of north Jersey.
  - murph-almighty 8y ago
    If the 7 extended to Newark my commute would be amazing...
  - mc32 8y ago
    I more or less mean economically. The issue you illustrate exists in the Bay Area, San Mateo county didn’t sign on to Bart in the 50s and 60s when things were being planned out. We are still experiencing the ramifications of that. No state borders involved.
  - Bahamut 8y ago
    Am I missing something here? One can easily take the NJ Transit from Penn Station to Newark.
  - briandear 8y ago
    PATH train anyone?
- adestefan 8y ago
  DC and Virginia are not well integrated. It was monumental effort to finally get sustained funding for Metro from all three jurisdictions that took over 40 years to accomplish.
- magduf 8y ago
  We already have too many states as it is (50). If any states split up, we need to have some others merge so the total never exceeds 50. DC and northern Virginia should merge into a single state, but also include all of central Maryland (including Baltimore). Western MD should go to WV and eastern shore MD should combine with eastern shore VA and merge with Delaware. New Jersey should be completely eliminated. Northern NJ should merge with NYC and other parts of its metro area and form a new state. Southern NJ should merge with Philly and form a new state. CT (the part not taken by NYC), RI, and MA should merge. VT, NH, and Maine should merge. Wyoming should be broken apart and merged with the surrounding states. CA should break apart, but should merge with the surrounding states: the southern part should merge with Las Vegas, for instance. The far northern part should merge with Oregon. Here's an idea from the 70s about how to redraw the state boundaries: http://mentalfloss.com/article/57444/map-only-38-states http://mentalfloss.com/article/57444/map-only-38-states
  - mc32 8y ago
    There is merit to this reorg. Unfortch, we’re not the U.K. so we can’t just decide this overnight. It would be monumental and it would never happen. The splitting and merging in some cases would make sense, but would only be successful if done organically via grass roots.
    - magduf 8y ago
      >There is merit to this reorg. Unfortch, we’re not the U.K. so we can’t just decide this overnight. It would be monumental and it would never happen. I agree completely. But it's costing us dearly. Just look at how bad public transit is in the DC area with the Metro system: this is caused by it being under the control of 3 states (counting DC as a state here). Having metro areas split over state boundaries causes massive problems like this, increases costs enormously, and makes the country uncompetitive. Eventually it's going to result in America not being the strongest economy in the world, and maybe even a not-so-important has-been like Britain. The politics in this country are fundamentally broken, and the long-term results of this are not going to be good.

Splitting LA and OC is idiotic. OC is the suburbs of LA. Of course the whole thing is fairly unlikely and not really a good idea.

by api 8y ago

Splitting LA and OC is idiotic. OC is the suburbs of LA. Of course the whole thing is fairly unlikely and not really a good idea.

mc32 8y ago

Not really, DC and Virginia are well integrated (economically). Northern New Jersey and NYC are integrated, despite state borders, so much so they even have common government bodies like the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. I’m all for states to split if it makes sense. Texas, New York (upstate vs downstate), and of course California. The needs are too disparate and varied and could be better served by more attuned regional governments. I know I’ll seriously consider voting for the split. The politics are way too dysfunctional at the state level.

m_ke 8y ago
I wouldn't call Jersey and NYC well integrated. If Jersey City was part of New York we'd be able to take the subway to Newark . Instead we get to deal with fake traffic on the GW because Jersey decided to elect Chris Christie. As a New Yorker I'd be all for trading upstate NYC for part of north Jersey.
- murph-almighty 8y ago
  If the 7 extended to Newark my commute would be amazing...
- mc32 8y ago
  I more or less mean economically. The issue you illustrate exists in the Bay Area, San Mateo county didn’t sign on to Bart in the 50s and 60s when things were being planned out. We are still experiencing the ramifications of that. No state borders involved.
- Bahamut 8y ago
  Am I missing something here? One can easily take the NJ Transit from Penn Station to Newark.
- briandear 8y ago
  PATH train anyone?
adestefan 8y ago
DC and Virginia are not well integrated. It was monumental effort to finally get sustained funding for Metro from all three jurisdictions that took over 40 years to accomplish.
magduf 8y ago
We already have too many states as it is (50). If any states split up, we need to have some others merge so the total never exceeds 50. DC and northern Virginia should merge into a single state, but also include all of central Maryland (including Baltimore). Western MD should go to WV and eastern shore MD should combine with eastern shore VA and merge with Delaware. New Jersey should be completely eliminated. Northern NJ should merge with NYC and other parts of its metro area and form a new state. Southern NJ should merge with Philly and form a new state. CT (the part not taken by NYC), RI, and MA should merge. VT, NH, and Maine should merge. Wyoming should be broken apart and merged with the surrounding states. CA should break apart, but should merge with the surrounding states: the southern part should merge with Las Vegas, for instance. The far northern part should merge with Oregon. Here's an idea from the 70s about how to redraw the state boundaries: http://mentalfloss.com/article/57444/map-only-38-states http://mentalfloss.com/article/57444/map-only-38-states
- mc32 8y ago
  There is merit to this reorg. Unfortch, we’re not the U.K. so we can’t just decide this overnight. It would be monumental and it would never happen. The splitting and merging in some cases would make sense, but would only be successful if done organically via grass roots.
  - magduf 8y ago
    >There is merit to this reorg. Unfortch, we’re not the U.K. so we can’t just decide this overnight. It would be monumental and it would never happen. I agree completely. But it's costing us dearly. Just look at how bad public transit is in the DC area with the Metro system: this is caused by it being under the control of 3 states (counting DC as a state here). Having metro areas split over state boundaries causes massive problems like this, increases costs enormously, and makes the country uncompetitive. Eventually it's going to result in America not being the strongest economy in the world, and maybe even a not-so-important has-been like Britain. The politics in this country are fundamentally broken, and the long-term results of this are not going to be good.