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I believe almost no Fab manufacturing happens in the US anymore. This is why the article seems a little hyperbolic to me. I understand US companies lead in chip

by dmode 8y ago

I believe almost no Fab manufacturing happens in the US anymore. This is why the article seems a little hyperbolic to me. I understand US companies lead in chip design, but if Asian companies are manufacturing the chips, how long will it take to reverse engineer? To add to this, many engineers working for these American Giants are Asians and can be poached back. Look how it little it took for Chinese manufacturers to produce state of the art smartphones that are "almost" Apple level.

adventured 8y ago
> I believe almost no Fab manufacturing happens in the US anymore. That's incorrect. The US has four or five dozen fabs. It's one of the largest fab manufacturers globally, along with Taiwan, China, Japan, Singapore, South Korea. The US is likely to grow its domestic fab manufacturing over the next decade, thanks to the new lower corporate income tax rate and tighter restrictions on IP exportation (those two things lured Broadcom home). > how long will it take to reverse engineer? That's where China faces a problem: that only works if you have no plans to integrate further into the global economy. For the most part, the EU, North America, South America, Australia/NZ, Japan, South Korea, etc. isn't going to buy your stolen semiconductor tech. If you're going to steal semi tech and use it as your own, at best you can only sell it domestically.
- Taniwha 8y ago
  If you mean stolen chip designs, no we're likely not to want to use them ... but there are lots of smart Chinese chip designers doing great stuff - some using on licensed US IP (the ESP chips), others based on licensed Arm IP (I've lost track of who owns that), some home built. Remember China is not just 1/4 of the world's population, it also has 1/4 of the world's smart people
  - tryptophan 8y ago
    China is actually slightly less than 1/6 of the world's population.
ac29 8y ago
Almost all of Intel's fabs are in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_si...
kinsomo 8y ago
> I believe almost no Fab manufacturing happens in the US anymore. I kinds lost count at least half way though, but this list has about 60-70 US fabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...
gascan 8y ago
how long will it take to reverse engineer? Long enough that by the time they do, the chips they've ripped are behind the times. Chips march on a pretty fast cadence, and with billions of transistors they are no small feat to reverse engineer.

by dmode 8y ago

adventured 8y ago

> I believe almost no Fab manufacturing happens in the US anymore. That's incorrect. The US has four or five dozen fabs. It's one of the largest fab manufacturers globally, along with Taiwan, China, Japan, Singapore, South Korea. The US is likely to grow its domestic fab manufacturing over the next decade, thanks to the new lower corporate income tax rate and tighter restrictions on IP exportation (those two things lured Broadcom home). > how long will it take to reverse engineer? That's where China faces a problem: that only works if you have no plans to integrate further into the global economy. For the most part, the EU, North America, South America, Australia/NZ, Japan, South Korea, etc. isn't going to buy your stolen semiconductor tech. If you're going to steal semi tech and use it as your own, at best you can only sell it domestically.

Taniwha 8y ago
If you mean stolen chip designs, no we're likely not to want to use them ... but there are lots of smart Chinese chip designers doing great stuff - some using on licensed US IP (the ESP chips), others based on licensed Arm IP (I've lost track of who owns that), some home built. Remember China is not just 1/4 of the world's population, it also has 1/4 of the world's smart people
- tryptophan 8y ago
  China is actually slightly less than 1/6 of the world's population.

ac29 8y ago

Almost all of Intel's fabs are in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_si...

kinsomo 8y ago

> I believe almost no Fab manufacturing happens in the US anymore. I kinds lost count at least half way though, but this list has about 60-70 US fabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...

gascan 8y ago

how long will it take to reverse engineer? Long enough that by the time they do, the chips they've ripped are behind the times. Chips march on a pretty fast cadence, and with billions of transistors they are no small feat to reverse engineer.