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Hi! I'm Jeremy, one of the developers. We'll probably work on something like this for the next version. One reason it's harder than you think: We would have to

Hi! I'm Jeremy, one of the developers. We'll probably work on something like this for the next version. One reason it's harder than you think: We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train -- most of those photos are owned by Getty or the AP. And our own photographs are perfectly lit and square, which made them awful for training face recognition. The other hangup (which I didn't get to in the article) is having to add / remove people. New members are constantly being added and that's a maintenance burden for us. Amazon usually has the new member within a day or two. (Our team is very small and we have a lot of other responsibilities!) But good points, definitely.

hooloovoo_zoo 8y ago
"We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train..." Is this actually true?
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  In USA I don't think it is because the end use is transformative [1]. In UK it would be tortuous because it relies on Fair Use to temporarily store the images in order to extract the facial structure data. Fair Dealing is really draconian in comparison. [1] https://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairuse https://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairuse
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- djrogers 8y ago
  Really doesn’t matter - the legal team at the NYT thinks it might be, and lawyers exist to tell people “you’d better not”.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    And it's our job, as someone who knows what a computer is, to move forward with common sense if they're overreaching which, is their job. They have every incentive to be as conservative in their advice as possible, and no incentives to "allow" risks. Doesn't increase their compensation any.
WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
> We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train -- most of those photos are owned by Getty or the AP. I think your model would be covered by derivative art... unless you started selling the model itself.
acct1771 8y ago
> We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train Please do elaborate on who's enforcing this mindset on you/your team.
mxuribe 8y ago
But...doesn't congress maintain some sort of api for available bio data - possibly including photos - to avoid the maintenance issue brought up in the piece? A quick google search shows propublica has sych an api, and it seems to have originally been developed by NYT... https://projects.propublica.org/api-docs/congress-api/ https://projects.propublica.org/api-docs/congress-api/

hooloovoo_zoo 8y ago

"We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train..." Is this actually true?

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
In USA I don't think it is because the end use is transformative [1]. In UK it would be tortuous because it relies on Fair Use to temporarily store the images in order to extract the facial structure data. Fair Dealing is really draconian in comparison. [1] https://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairuse https://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairuse
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djrogers 8y ago
Really doesn’t matter - the legal team at the NYT thinks it might be, and lawyers exist to tell people “you’d better not”.
- acct1771 8y ago
  And it's our job, as someone who knows what a computer is, to move forward with common sense if they're overreaching which, is their job. They have every incentive to be as conservative in their advice as possible, and no incentives to "allow" risks. Doesn't increase their compensation any.

WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago

> We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train -- most of those photos are owned by Getty or the AP. I think your model would be covered by derivative art... unless you started selling the model itself.

acct1771 8y ago

> We would have to buy / own rights to the photographs before we could use them to train Please do elaborate on who's enforcing this mindset on you/your team.

mxuribe 8y ago

But...doesn't congress maintain some sort of api for available bio data - possibly including photos - to avoid the maintenance issue brought up in the piece? A quick google search shows propublica has sych an api, and it seems to have originally been developed by NYT... https://projects.propublica.org/api-docs/congress-api/ https://projects.propublica.org/api-docs/congress-api/