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Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks.

reacharavindh 8y ago
I never understood the Systemd argument in the Linux ecosystem. Sure, it may not be what everybody wants in the Linux ecosystem. But, that's the point of having so many independent distributions right? Red hat is not secretly pushing anything on anybody. If something is better than Systemd, clearly other distributions will go that route and try to outcompete Redhat... No? I see Redhat as the enterprise seller of Linux. They are catering to Enterprise needs and supporting where they go (even Systemd) what is wrong with that? If you're mad that Debian followed RH's steps and adapted Systemd, then you should be mad at Debian not Redhat? Disclaimer: I have no association with RedHat in any sense. Just trying to ask why Redhat is always blamed for Systemd.. I don't particularly enjoy systemd either.
- cthalupa 8y ago
  > Just trying to ask why Redhat is always blamed for Systemd Probably because Lennart Poettering is a Red Hat employee and wrote systemd while working for them? Not a comment on whether systemd is good or not, but... the author being paid to write it as an employee of the company is a reasonable reason to believe they are responsible for it's creation.
  - reacharavindh 8y ago
    But, my real contextual ask was Why RedHat is blamed for Systemd in Linux Ecosystem... Sure, a RedHat employee built something that Redhat wanted for their major Linux distribution. Why does the community direct hate at RedHat for it being everywhere? If it is deemed as not good by the community, the distributions are free to develop alternatives...
    - nullify88 8y ago
      IIRC, Upstart was briefly used by distros before systemd came on to the scene. It's stay was short though as distros began migrating to systemd.
oblio 8y ago
> Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks. Perspective is everything. For me it's: > Redhat? The company that managed to standardize the init system across distributions, thereby making it trivial to create robust system services for Linux?
- kevin_b_er 8y ago
  It is not the init system replacement. It is the cruft around it, like systemd-resolved. Please avoid motte and bailey arguments.
  - oblio 8y ago
    Today I Learned motte and bailey. And why is the rest cruft? Are the extras technically inferior? Can they be compiled out if you wish?
bollockitis 8y ago
It's not really fair to call it bloatware. Bloatware serves no purpose other than to sucker users into paying for something they either don't want or don't need. systemd serves a purpose, has benefits for the user, and doesn't ask for money or push ads.

I never understood the Systemd argument in the Linux ecosystem. Sure, it may not be what everybody wants in the Linux ecosystem. But, that's the point of having so many independent distributions right? Red hat is not secretly pushing anything on anybody. If something is better than Systemd, clearly other distributions will go that route and try to outcompete Redhat... No? I see Redhat as the enterprise seller of Linux. They are catering to Enterprise needs and supporting where they go (even Systemd) what is wrong with that? If you're mad that Debian followed RH's steps and adapted Systemd, then you should be mad at Debian not Redhat? Disclaimer: I have no association with RedHat in any sense. Just trying to ask why Redhat is always blamed for Systemd.. I don't particularly enjoy systemd either.

cthalupa 8y ago
> Just trying to ask why Redhat is always blamed for Systemd Probably because Lennart Poettering is a Red Hat employee and wrote systemd while working for them? Not a comment on whether systemd is good or not, but... the author being paid to write it as an employee of the company is a reasonable reason to believe they are responsible for it's creation.
- reacharavindh 8y ago
  But, my real contextual ask was Why RedHat is blamed for Systemd in Linux Ecosystem... Sure, a RedHat employee built something that Redhat wanted for their major Linux distribution. Why does the community direct hate at RedHat for it being everywhere? If it is deemed as not good by the community, the distributions are free to develop alternatives...
  - nullify88 8y ago
    IIRC, Upstart was briefly used by distros before systemd came on to the scene. It's stay was short though as distros began migrating to systemd.

oblio 8y ago

> Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks. Perspective is everything. For me it's: > Redhat? The company that managed to standardize the init system across distributions, thereby making it trivial to create robust system services for Linux?

kevin_b_er 8y ago
It is not the init system replacement. It is the cruft around it, like systemd-resolved. Please avoid motte and bailey arguments.
- oblio 8y ago
  Today I Learned motte and bailey. And why is the rest cruft? Are the extras technically inferior? Can they be compiled out if you wish?

bollockitis 8y ago

It's not really fair to call it bloatware. Bloatware serves no purpose other than to sucker users into paying for something they either don't want or don't need. systemd serves a purpose, has benefits for the user, and doesn't ask for money or push ads.