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> “Every piece of content that you share on Facebook, you own and you have complete control over who sees it and how you share it, and you can remove it at any
by hmhrex 8y ago
> “Every piece of content that you share on Facebook, you own and you have complete control over who sees it and how you share it, and you can remove it at any time,”
This sentence has been bothering me because it feels like his lawyers wrote it. It's specifically worded to not include issues like this one.
Ref: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/techburger/article/Zuckerberg-hearings-shed-little-light-on-12827039.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/techburger/article/Zuckerbe...
- paulie_a 8y agoExcept for the data they seem so eager to give to others.
- bogomipz 8y agoHow is it specifically worded to not include the issue? I just see that sentence as an outright lie. I thought it was notable for its lack of "weasel words" and disingenuousness that are the hallmarks of Mark Zuckerberg's speech. From the NYTimes article: >"But the BlackBerry app had access to all of the reporter’s Facebook friends and, for most of them, returned information such as user ID, birthday, work and education history and whether they were currently online." [1] Birthday, work and education history are all things that user's "share" on FB no? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/facebook-device-partners-users-friends-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/fa...
- mercer 8y agoCould Zuckerberg argue that this is not what he meant with 'piece of content that you share'? I imagine not, but just wondering.
- hmhrex 8y agoBut those are probably allowed to be publicly available by those users. Which is what Zuckerberg is saying in this statement. What he _isn't_ including in his statement is content created by FB about a person (used for marketing, etc.).
- Eire_Banshee 8y agoIt specifically mentions information YOU post. Facebook collects metadata about you and your activities. That metadata is whats more dangerous... and conveniently unmentioned.
- bogomipz 8y agoAh OK I missed the nuance - religious affiliation, birthday, education history etc. are just a form of account metadata in this bit of subterfuge. Jeez, of course. Thanks for the clarification.
- rmc 8y ago"you have control over ... how you share it". You do not have control over how Facebook shares it.
- trumped 8y ago> [...] and you have complete control over who sees it and [...] If you have complete control over who sees it, that should mean that no one else has any control over it...
- kinsomo 8y ago>> [...] and you have complete control over who sees it and [...] > If you have complete control over who sees it, that should mean that no one else has any control over it... Actually that quote is false: the Facebook algorithm has almost complete control over who actually sees your content.
- trumped 8y agoI'm just trying to say what it means since there appear to be some confusion...
- r00fus 8y agoIt isn't if by "sees" they mean "has UI access", as opposed to API access (which isn't "seeing"). I'm not concerned who "sees" my data - I want to know who can access it. If all it takes is a friend with a shady device, it's not comforting at all. Did FB every clarify if sharing permissions would mitigate that API access? because otherwise the only solution is to a) defriend everyone and b) quit FB.
- sorokod 8y agoSo, a question to developers reading this: would you be happy to work alongside a person who participated in the development of this system?
- figgis 8y agoDepends entirely on how they feel and act about it. If they were pushing to make my company the next big surveillance org then yeah. Otherwise I probably wouldn't even think twice about it.
- ionised 8y agoIf they felt bad about it but carried on with it anyway, is that any better?
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- mankash666 8y agoTrick question. Typically, when assigned tasks at work, one doesn't have the forbearance or clairvoyance to asses the moral implications of the task. The fairer question to ask is if the strategy team pitching such work/product understood the moral implication of the work.
- sorokod 8y agoThis is Facebook we are talking about. One does not need to be clairvoyant.
- krageon 8y agoA fairly large cross-section of big corporations will say things that are shockingly evil to even moderately critical minds. You work there to put food on the table, not to make the world a better place.
- mrsmee89 8y agoI agree. Telling users they own their data and therefor have complete control over it is, at best, a misunderstanding of what we humans have control over and at worst insinuating that own=control to make the user think they are right.
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