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"Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support ou
by sjcsjc 8y ago
"Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism."
- matheusmoreira 8y agoSo, the fragmentation of the internet has begun...
- NullPrefix 8y agoPreviously you've had to use the likes of tor to reach the dark net, now, I guess, non EU IP is enough. Same divided internet, only the boundary is moved.
- zingmars 8y agoBegun? Surely you remember Youtube region locking videos. Or companies that don't offer their services (or have different) outside of their region opening international sites that have different content in different regions. This is nothing new.
- TomMarius 8y agoSo it's not negative that right after we stopped doing it with videos, we are doing it with everything? I'm European. I just want to use the Internet, all of it; please, EU, leave me alone, I can handle my data by myself more than well enough.
- sgift 8y agoThen go ahead and allow the companies to use your data. No one stops you. And leave the rest of us alone.
- Karunamon 8y agoAFAIK, the GDPR explicitly makes it illegal for a company to operate on a “pay with your data” basis. So no, they can’t.
- etatoby 8y agoSo are we going to lose access to Google and most other services? Because they are effectively "pay with your data"
- mrep 8y agoIf gdpr had its way, then yes, you would probably lose access to google and pretty much the rest of the web. Right now, most companies are skirting around the law though so we will have to wait and see the real effects once the lawsuits start settling.
- endless1234 8y agoHow so? The users just have to give their consent for it.
- Karunamon 8y agoBecause you can't have access to the service conditional on the consent.
- TomMarius 8y agoI'm unable to access this website. I can't let them use my data, GDPR is stopping me because compliance is apparently too expensive for this site. I don't have any option to click on a "I don't want any GDPR-provided 'rights'" button or e.g. sending such header with my requests.
- the_af 8y agoEven worse, and more surprising and alarming, a few weeks ago the Humble Bundle was selling region-locked EBOOKS! Someone explain that one for me, please. This means I wanted to buy a bundle of sci-fi books -- that's buy, not read for free -- and all of the most interesting books (old classics, by the way) were "not available in your region". edit: a clarification: the ebooks themselves don't have DRM, but Humble Bundle will refuse to sell them to you if you're in whatever region they (or the publishers) don't want to support at the time.
- chaosite 8y agoSay what now? And did Humble Bundle support fix your issue? Man, I remember when a major Humble Bundle selling point was being DRM free...
- mrec 8y agoIf it's like previous times I've seen this, the ebooks themselves will still be DRM-free, HB just won't sell some of them to you i.e. they won't be included in the bundle you get.
- the_af 8y agoYes, thanks for clarifying. This is still tremendously disappointing. They show you the books in the bundle, but refuse to sell them to you. I wonder how this is a thing. It certainly lowered my faith in the Humble Bundle.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y agoI'm sure it's a distribution rights issue - probably someone who didn't want to deal with Humble Bundle owns the book rights in those regions. As a non-American I see it all the time with media.
- mrec 8y agoI'm sure it is too, but IMO Humble Bundle should refuse to carry books with those restrictions.
- acou_nPlusOne_t 8y agoWell, we had piracy in the 90s, and if some greedy CEO wants to support a revival of that tradition..
- azag0 8y agoWhy would a news magazine website do this? Is it their ads that violate GDPR?
- fiiv 8y agoTo completely block EU users to me at least implies greater degrees of data collection.
- akvadrako 8y agoWhy? Many other news websites simply force you to opt-in, which is illegal. It seems ad analytics are vitally important to their business model.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoIt's not though, they can still sell subscriptions and show ads without violating user's privacy.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago> they can still sell subscriptions and show ads without violating user's privacy At risk of going off topic, there are two issues at play. One, respecting users' privacy. And two, complying with GDPR. The former does not always mean the latter. And even if one complies with GDPR, having material over which GDPR applies could result in frivolous complaints and costly regulatory interactions. It is reasonable for a newspaper with a mostly non-Europe to spend resources on other priorities.
- DanBC 8y agoBut they still have the data of European residents. So merely blocking access to EU residents hasn't done much to lessen their GDPR liability, unless they've cleaned all their data.
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- ggdG 8y agohttps://outline.com/NghkCV https://outline.com/NghkCV
- jobigoud 8y agoWow, not only this bypasses the GDPR wall but the experience is much cleaner. Thanks.
- amelius 8y agoIs outline.com legal?
- Luuseens 8y agoas legal as Google Cache, probably.
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- Andrex 8y agoGoogle Cache respects paywalls and robots.txt, it seems Outline does not.
- shock 8y agoIn what country?
- highace 8y agoRunning the Chrome extension on your own device? Yep that's OK. But republishing full articles on the web accessible to all - no chance. They have a DMCA link at the bottom to "excuse" themselves.
- amelius 8y agoWhat if you use a Chrome extension to train a ML model to format the article, then publish that model back to the web? At least it would allow users to remove ads and other cruft from articles.
- akvadrako 8y agoAt least they aren't pretending to comply with the GPDR yet blatantly violating it, for example by making it difficult or impossible not to opt-in. Google cache seems to be the easiest method to view it: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hcp4U0tlUl8J:www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-data-20180604-story.html#top http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hcp4U0t...
- new299 8y agoWeirdly I assume then accessing via google cache does comply with the GDPR (otherwise they could of course block google via robots.txt). From memory, google cache still fetches assets from the original site (and I think also triggers Javascript?) so it's possible this is kind of moot? Guess the issue is similar, if I access from Europe via a US proxy. I'd assume those accesses are still covered by the GDPR, but it's not clear to me. Anybody know?
- free652 8y agoYou are breaking a US law - CFAA. Which could be an interested showdown CFAA vs GDPR.
- bryanrasmussen 8y agoHow is CFAA being broken here?
- mcny 8y agoI think the joke here is that some people argue that usage not permitted by the terms of services is a criminal offense under the cfaa I don't agree with this interpretation but I think cfaa is unsalvageable nonetheless. I demand a full repeal!
- dangerface 8y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20180606080053/http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-data-20180604-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20180606080053/http://www.latime...
- loup-vaillant 8y agoYep, me too (France).