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Core-hours are 9am-5pm? Aren't those just the normal busines hours for white-collar work?

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jph 8y ago
Yes and I'll detail that in the repo now, and emphasize that these are examples gathered from many teams. Can you try reloading the repo page and see if it makes better sense now? Thanks for the feedback!
- viridian 8y ago
  As Kolpa said, your core hours mean a lot of mandatory overtime. Why would anyone want to work under these conditions?
  - newfoundglory 8y ago
    Did you read the updated response? They are examples from different teams.
kolpa 8y ago
Wow. "core hours" is full time, but there's also mandatory overtime. Anyone not in the boss's timezone has to to work weird hours to satisfy the micromanager's desire for fiefdom face-time. Work starts before 9am every day, to prep for a 9am dressing-down. This is not a place where anyone with a choice would want to work. > * Each workday has a team standup meeting. We choose 9 a.m., because it sets the tone for the day. > * The workday has core hours when we expect people to be together. We choose core hours 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. in our team's main time zone, because these are typical business hours for typical offices. > * Beyond the workday core hours, we expect people to do their own schedule
- jph 8y ago
  You make great points and I'll edit now to make it more clear that the goal of the ground rules is to be communicating, and the goal of the writeup is to show a bunch of examples gathered from many teams in many industries. Can you refresh the repo page now and see if it is more helpful and clear? Thank you! For example, the item about 9-5 core hours actually comes from a bank that has tellers, call center operators, and an IT staff that needs to be onsite and available for helping with physical hardware. Again, the point of the ground rules isn't the hours per se; the point is that the team writes its expectations so everyone has a good understanding.
  - humbleMouse 8y ago
    9-5 core hours is bullshit. The whole point of core hours is to be a window of time where you can guarantee a meeting can be scheduled with people across time zones. This doesn't mean you have 8 hours of core hours. That's literally insane.
    - icelancer 8y ago
      Agreed. When I run teams the core hours are typically 10 AM - 2 PM or some band of 4 hours around a key time.
    - dahart 8y ago
      It feels like you didn't even read the comment you replied to. FWIW, I've worked in a company where the whole point of core hours was to have a working set of people in the building at the same time, and wasn't related to time zones or even meetings.
    - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
      Not to mention you can’t adjust your hours at all to avoid rush hour or cooperate with a spouse in day care management. 9-5 is necessary for banks, but not for software developers. Having a few core hours is necessary, but if it’s 8, you can no longer call them “core”.
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jph 8y ago

Yes and I'll detail that in the repo now, and emphasize that these are examples gathered from many teams. Can you try reloading the repo page and see if it makes better sense now? Thanks for the feedback!

viridian 8y ago
As Kolpa said, your core hours mean a lot of mandatory overtime. Why would anyone want to work under these conditions?
- newfoundglory 8y ago
  Did you read the updated response? They are examples from different teams.

kolpa 8y ago

Wow. "core hours" is full time, but there's also mandatory overtime. Anyone not in the boss's timezone has to to work weird hours to satisfy the micromanager's desire for fiefdom face-time. Work starts before 9am every day, to prep for a 9am dressing-down. This is not a place where anyone with a choice would want to work. > * Each workday has a team standup meeting. We choose 9 a.m., because it sets the tone for the day. > * The workday has core hours when we expect people to be together. We choose core hours 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. in our team's main time zone, because these are typical business hours for typical offices. > * Beyond the workday core hours, we expect people to do their own schedule

jph 8y ago
You make great points and I'll edit now to make it more clear that the goal of the ground rules is to be communicating, and the goal of the writeup is to show a bunch of examples gathered from many teams in many industries. Can you refresh the repo page now and see if it is more helpful and clear? Thank you! For example, the item about 9-5 core hours actually comes from a bank that has tellers, call center operators, and an IT staff that needs to be onsite and available for helping with physical hardware. Again, the point of the ground rules isn't the hours per se; the point is that the team writes its expectations so everyone has a good understanding.
- humbleMouse 8y ago
  9-5 core hours is bullshit. The whole point of core hours is to be a window of time where you can guarantee a meeting can be scheduled with people across time zones. This doesn't mean you have 8 hours of core hours. That's literally insane.
  - icelancer 8y ago
    Agreed. When I run teams the core hours are typically 10 AM - 2 PM or some band of 4 hours around a key time.
  - dahart 8y ago
    It feels like you didn't even read the comment you replied to. FWIW, I've worked in a company where the whole point of core hours was to have a working set of people in the building at the same time, and wasn't related to time zones or even meetings.
  - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
    Not to mention you can’t adjust your hours at all to avoid rush hour or cooperate with a spouse in day care management. 9-5 is necessary for banks, but not for software developers. Having a few core hours is necessary, but if it’s 8, you can no longer call them “core”.

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