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Time to capitalize on the senseless sudden hate for gitHub

by dudus 8y ago

djsumdog 8y ago
There is plenty of hate to go around. :-P I kinda want to try Fossil now.
solarkraft 8y ago
Microsoft does have a terrible history regarding open source. Github felt safe before, a neutral ground for Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon all come together and share their love for code and just code. Not so much anymore. The hate is over-blown, but it does feel weird now. With a knowledge of Microsoft products I can understand why many people would see a bleak future ahead [0]. [0]: Relevant image going around the internet: https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/g/image/1528/18/1528185357874.jpg https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/g/image/1528/18/152818...
- ssijak 8y ago
  Why not just first wait for their actual moves before spreading panic. I don`t love microsoft and use 0 of their software/hardware products but I don`t believe they will ruin Github. It would ruin their reputation with developers to a very large degree. But if they do, it is so easy to switch, that I do not see the point in "all hell broke loose" panic attacks before anything actually happened.
  - user5994461 8y ago
    The move is already done. The big companies can't host their projects on their main competitor, they will start migrating soon enough.
    - ssijak 8y ago
      "already done" and "start migrating soon enough" does not sound like same timeframes
    - briandear 8y ago
      What big companies? You would be surprised what big companies use. GitHub Enterprise for example, is self hosted.
      - solarkraft 8y ago
        But this has a public effect.
- lallysingh 8y ago
  And a lot of us have tried to give MS the benefit of the doubt several times over the years and have been bitten by it several times.
  - Redoubts 8y ago
    What bit you in the last decade?
    - em3rgent0rdr 8y ago
      I can't speak for parent, but for instance inserting ads into Windows 10: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window...
    - executesorder66 8y ago
      - forced "upgrade" to windows 10 (from 8 or 7) - OS level adverts on a fucking paid OS - forced updates (and forced restarts) at the most inconvenient times) - MS buying Skype, then removing Linux support, and removing the p2p nature leading to privacy concerns and shittier connections - the endless spyware they install in the OS, and make it impossible to easily and permanently turn off.
- cptskippy 8y ago
  It sounds like Github was in a financially vulnerable position and shopped around for the best suitor. Microsoft is committing heavily on open source, for good or bad, and it would be tactically disadvantageous for Github to fall into the hands of a competitor. If history tells us anything about acquisitions of this nature, it never ends well. But I could honestly see things being a lot worse if they'd been acquired by someone like Apple or Google.
- tsenkov 8y ago
  > Github felt safe before, a neutral ground for Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon all come together and share their love for code and just code. This! This is my primary concern. It's not even a concern per se, since I am convinced all of those companies (except MS of course) will pull-out and disperse to alternative services. And then I believe a 2nd wave of smaller, related-to-products-of-these-companies' projects will also leave. It was nice to have a neutral ground where all "sharks" came together. But at the same time, I can't blame GitHub's founders and board for searching an exit.
ovao 8y ago
A part of this is also attempting to capitalize on GitLab being integrated with the new Xcode, as the blog post mentions.
mtgx 8y ago
The hate on Oculus by its very community when selling itself to Facebook was "sudden", too, but it wasn't senseless.
inscionent 8y ago
Can you blame Gitlab for capitalizing on this opportunity? Not everything is based on hate, framing this as hate and senseless only stirs the pot and adds nothing to the conversation. Every individual has their reasons. People in general are reactionary; so this was probably the tipping point on a decision they had long been exploring.

Time to capitalize on the senseless sudden hate for gitHub

by dudus 8y ago

Time to capitalize on the senseless sudden hate for gitHub

djsumdog 8y ago

There is plenty of hate to go around. :-P I kinda want to try Fossil now.

solarkraft 8y ago

Microsoft does have a terrible history regarding open source. Github felt safe before, a neutral ground for Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon all come together and share their love for code and just code. Not so much anymore. The hate is over-blown, but it does feel weird now. With a knowledge of Microsoft products I can understand why many people would see a bleak future ahead [0]. [0]: Relevant image going around the internet: https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/g/image/1528/18/1528185357874.jpg https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/g/image/1528/18/152818...

ssijak 8y ago
Why not just first wait for their actual moves before spreading panic. I don`t love microsoft and use 0 of their software/hardware products but I don`t believe they will ruin Github. It would ruin their reputation with developers to a very large degree. But if they do, it is so easy to switch, that I do not see the point in "all hell broke loose" panic attacks before anything actually happened.
- user5994461 8y ago
  The move is already done. The big companies can't host their projects on their main competitor, they will start migrating soon enough.
  - ssijak 8y ago
    "already done" and "start migrating soon enough" does not sound like same timeframes
  - briandear 8y ago
    What big companies? You would be surprised what big companies use. GitHub Enterprise for example, is self hosted.
    - solarkraft 8y ago
      But this has a public effect.
lallysingh 8y ago
And a lot of us have tried to give MS the benefit of the doubt several times over the years and have been bitten by it several times.
- Redoubts 8y ago
  What bit you in the last decade?
  - em3rgent0rdr 8y ago
    I can't speak for parent, but for instance inserting ads into Windows 10: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window...
  - executesorder66 8y ago
    - forced "upgrade" to windows 10 (from 8 or 7) - OS level adverts on a fucking paid OS - forced updates (and forced restarts) at the most inconvenient times) - MS buying Skype, then removing Linux support, and removing the p2p nature leading to privacy concerns and shittier connections - the endless spyware they install in the OS, and make it impossible to easily and permanently turn off.
cptskippy 8y ago
It sounds like Github was in a financially vulnerable position and shopped around for the best suitor. Microsoft is committing heavily on open source, for good or bad, and it would be tactically disadvantageous for Github to fall into the hands of a competitor. If history tells us anything about acquisitions of this nature, it never ends well. But I could honestly see things being a lot worse if they'd been acquired by someone like Apple or Google.
tsenkov 8y ago
> Github felt safe before, a neutral ground for Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon all come together and share their love for code and just code. This! This is my primary concern. It's not even a concern per se, since I am convinced all of those companies (except MS of course) will pull-out and disperse to alternative services. And then I believe a 2nd wave of smaller, related-to-products-of-these-companies' projects will also leave. It was nice to have a neutral ground where all "sharks" came together. But at the same time, I can't blame GitHub's founders and board for searching an exit.

ovao 8y ago

A part of this is also attempting to capitalize on GitLab being integrated with the new Xcode, as the blog post mentions.

mtgx 8y ago

The hate on Oculus by its very community when selling itself to Facebook was "sudden", too, but it wasn't senseless.

inscionent 8y ago

Can you blame Gitlab for capitalizing on this opportunity? Not everything is based on hate, framing this as hate and senseless only stirs the pot and adds nothing to the conversation. Every individual has their reasons. People in general are reactionary; so this was probably the tipping point on a decision they had long been exploring.