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I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code wit

by lalos 8y ago

I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code with no backlash, or at least not to this level. Microsoft is trying to save a vital company in the open source community that didn't even have a CEO or any path to profitability and people react like they are going to ban all projects that are not C#. Not only in tech, but elsewhere I see a trend of just following a herd mentality instead of judging every action by it's own weight or at least let it play out. Of course, if you are afraid have a plan B or backup what ever you see fit but we need more critical thinking in our daily lives.

joering2 8y ago
Or you know - use BitBucket that allows unlimited number of private repos for free afaik.
- lalos 8y ago
  I love competition and choice, I'm not even a fan of Github but I see their importance in the game. I'm criticizing herd mentality and something bigger than where you host a repo. I'm asking for critical thinking and that is it.
linuxps2 8y ago
Google did face backlash and it wasn't to this level because its use wasn't nearly as ubiquitous
superflyguy 8y ago
This is an altruistic move on Microsoft's part? Puhleaze. And Google routinely gets beaten up for killing projects, it's just that nobody used Google Code.
- lalos 8y ago
  I will have to disagree with that, back in the day I remember using more Google Code than Github. Maybe I was more into fringe projects that were not big enough and on Github, but in my personal experience the pain was felt when we lost a bunch of issues and documentation of the platform and not the code itself or the binaries. Plus, this seems like a strategy of Microsoft to win some brownie points in the open source community unless they see a huge money making opportunity that I'm not seeing.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    GitHub license was changed a year or so ago, allowing an unlimited license to use. I took down my personal repos when they announced (quietly) that. I saw the HN post about it. Lot of people just didn't seem to care much. I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't that mean now Microsoft has an unlimited license of all code uploaded to GitHub? That doesn't seem, ehh, good? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340
    - bmarkovic 8y ago
      Are you a lawyer? Didn't think so. "A lot of people" just read it for what it is which is legally protecting themselves while they are actively processing your code to syntax highlight it, display diffs, calculate stats etc. And these a lot of people said as much in the thread.
      - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
        And the GPL(2,3), and many other libre-based open source licneses is perfectly well within the scope to do exactly those things. They don't need a forever world license that exempts them from anything and everything forever. And naw shit. I said I wasn't a lawyer. But I can read. It doesn't take someone with a JD to read a term that looks pretty suspicious.
some_account 8y ago
Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.
- optimuspaul 8y ago
  Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.
  - new_guy 8y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana Microsoft lost all goodwill a long time ago, and they'll never get it back.
    - preinheimer 8y ago
      If they lost it all "a long time ago" is there a new cohort of developers who just weren't around to see it happen. Most of the references on that page are from ~2002, so kids who were six then are out of college now.
  - EnFinlay 8y ago
    If people choose to judge them by a different time scale than you, their conclusions seem pretty justified.
  - filomeno 8y ago
    They are so different, that even thought they keep the same practices and goals from always, some people say they're a different company now!
  - bjpbakker 8y ago
    > they are a different company now To name a some of their recent misbehavior: Windows 10 ads and telemetry, Skype, GPL license violation (ie still actively working against FOSS) To me MS keeps proving they are still exactly the same company they've always been. They tend to be better at hiding it from public, I have to give them that.
alexeiz 8y ago
> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.
- lalos 8y ago
  https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/goodwill.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/goodwill.asp Either goodwill, a cheap deal since they were about to fold, gain trust for people to use Azure Linux or Azure open source platform, etc. I have no idea, but goodwill is an option.
  - crb002 8y ago
    $7 billion in stock isn't "about to fold" money.
- murukesh_s 8y ago
  Which big corporate's is? If Microsoft can't be trusted neither Google, Facebook,IBM or Oracle for that matter. They could ruin or shut it down if it's not aligning with their goal which is to make money.
- zgramana 8y ago
  SMH. I used to work for Nat at Xamarin before it was acquired by MSFT. GitHub and Xamarin have had a long and deep relationship going back to at least 2012 (that I’m aware of anyway). Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well. Miguel and Nat both helped to make F/OSS and Linux what it is today—thank them if you like GNOME. Nat represents MSFT in this deal, and that’s great news for F/OSS enthusiasts everywhere. Nat and Scott Guthrie aren’t responsible for the “sins of their fathers.” Time to move on from the Microsoft hating. That era has been over for a while.
  - 8y ago
uncletammy 8y ago
> Not only in tech, but elsewhere I see a trend of just following a herd mentality instead of judging every action by it's own weight or at least let it play out. It's a consequence of hooking up all world's information before people understand how to safely digest it. It will fix itself if we can find an equilibrium before we all destroy each other.
The8bitNomad 8y ago
The herd mentality as you, so simplistically, call it comes because many of us are old enough to remember their behaviour in the past. Maybe, we're a proverbial herd of tech elephants with very long memories. Satya Nadella is the cornerstone to this fake love-in with Linux and all things OpenSource. So, then what's to say, when he goes, that Redmond won't revert back to a Complete C&@t of Steve Balmer's ilk as their next CEO? You don't just erase 30yrs of corporate bullying, patent trolling, anti-competition practises and general fuckery because of a few years behaving, less openly, like a bunch of fucks. And it's not just the Win10 spyware/file level data mining and telemetry I have a problem with today, although not having the choice of an opt out is showing their trues colours. Who were the first tech corp to sign up for the US Government's "Prism" surveillance program, as a deep state collaborator, against their own citizens?... Oh yeah that's right M$... Citing other unethical companies like Google or Apple etc, is a straw man argument, we know they are no better. And no, us older fucks, aren't gonna sit on our hands and see how it plays out. I was actually thinking of switching to Gitlab for a while, only my apathy stopped me. M$ just put the bullets in the gun for me to pull the trigger. That's the feeling of many in the community.

by lalos 8y ago

joering2 8y ago

Or you know - use BitBucket that allows unlimited number of private repos for free afaik.

lalos 8y ago
I love competition and choice, I'm not even a fan of Github but I see their importance in the game. I'm criticizing herd mentality and something bigger than where you host a repo. I'm asking for critical thinking and that is it.

linuxps2 8y ago

Google did face backlash and it wasn't to this level because its use wasn't nearly as ubiquitous

superflyguy 8y ago

This is an altruistic move on Microsoft's part? Puhleaze. And Google routinely gets beaten up for killing projects, it's just that nobody used Google Code.

lalos 8y ago
I will have to disagree with that, back in the day I remember using more Google Code than Github. Maybe I was more into fringe projects that were not big enough and on Github, but in my personal experience the pain was felt when we lost a bunch of issues and documentation of the platform and not the code itself or the binaries. Plus, this seems like a strategy of Microsoft to win some brownie points in the open source community unless they see a huge money making opportunity that I'm not seeing.
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  GitHub license was changed a year or so ago, allowing an unlimited license to use. I took down my personal repos when they announced (quietly) that. I saw the HN post about it. Lot of people just didn't seem to care much. I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't that mean now Microsoft has an unlimited license of all code uploaded to GitHub? That doesn't seem, ehh, good? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340
  - bmarkovic 8y ago
    Are you a lawyer? Didn't think so. "A lot of people" just read it for what it is which is legally protecting themselves while they are actively processing your code to syntax highlight it, display diffs, calculate stats etc. And these a lot of people said as much in the thread.
    - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
      And the GPL(2,3), and many other libre-based open source licneses is perfectly well within the scope to do exactly those things. They don't need a forever world license that exempts them from anything and everything forever. And naw shit. I said I wasn't a lawyer. But I can read. It doesn't take someone with a JD to read a term that looks pretty suspicious.

some_account 8y ago

Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.

optimuspaul 8y ago
Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.
- new_guy 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana Microsoft lost all goodwill a long time ago, and they'll never get it back.
  - preinheimer 8y ago
    If they lost it all "a long time ago" is there a new cohort of developers who just weren't around to see it happen. Most of the references on that page are from ~2002, so kids who were six then are out of college now.
- EnFinlay 8y ago
  If people choose to judge them by a different time scale than you, their conclusions seem pretty justified.
- filomeno 8y ago
  They are so different, that even thought they keep the same practices and goals from always, some people say they're a different company now!
- bjpbakker 8y ago
  > they are a different company now To name a some of their recent misbehavior: Windows 10 ads and telemetry, Skype, GPL license violation (ie still actively working against FOSS) To me MS keeps proving they are still exactly the same company they've always been. They tend to be better at hiding it from public, I have to give them that.

alexeiz 8y ago

> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.

lalos 8y ago
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/goodwill.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/goodwill.asp Either goodwill, a cheap deal since they were about to fold, gain trust for people to use Azure Linux or Azure open source platform, etc. I have no idea, but goodwill is an option.
- crb002 8y ago
  $7 billion in stock isn't "about to fold" money.
murukesh_s 8y ago
Which big corporate's is? If Microsoft can't be trusted neither Google, Facebook,IBM or Oracle for that matter. They could ruin or shut it down if it's not aligning with their goal which is to make money.
zgramana 8y ago
SMH. I used to work for Nat at Xamarin before it was acquired by MSFT. GitHub and Xamarin have had a long and deep relationship going back to at least 2012 (that I’m aware of anyway). Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well. Miguel and Nat both helped to make F/OSS and Linux what it is today—thank them if you like GNOME. Nat represents MSFT in this deal, and that’s great news for F/OSS enthusiasts everywhere. Nat and Scott Guthrie aren’t responsible for the “sins of their fathers.” Time to move on from the Microsoft hating. That era has been over for a while.
- 8y ago

uncletammy 8y ago

> Not only in tech, but elsewhere I see a trend of just following a herd mentality instead of judging every action by it's own weight or at least let it play out. It's a consequence of hooking up all world's information before people understand how to safely digest it. It will fix itself if we can find an equilibrium before we all destroy each other.

The8bitNomad 8y ago

The herd mentality as you, so simplistically, call it comes because many of us are old enough to remember their behaviour in the past. Maybe, we're a proverbial herd of tech elephants with very long memories. Satya Nadella is the cornerstone to this fake love-in with Linux and all things OpenSource. So, then what's to say, when he goes, that Redmond won't revert back to a Complete C&@t of Steve Balmer's ilk as their next CEO? You don't just erase 30yrs of corporate bullying, patent trolling, anti-competition practises and general fuckery because of a few years behaving, less openly, like a bunch of fucks. And it's not just the Win10 spyware/file level data mining and telemetry I have a problem with today, although not having the choice of an opt out is showing their trues colours. Who were the first tech corp to sign up for the US Government's "Prism" surveillance program, as a deep state collaborator, against their own citizens?... Oh yeah that's right M$... Citing other unethical companies like Google or Apple etc, is a straw man argument, we know they are no better. And no, us older fucks, aren't gonna sit on our hands and see how it plays out. I was actually thinking of switching to Gitlab for a while, only my apathy stopped me. M$ just put the bullets in the gun for me to pull the trigger. That's the feeling of many in the community.