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(1) Make it easy for alternative OS to run on Surface/Windows-certified devices: Both x86 and ARM. (2) Support OpenDocumentFormat in their office apps. Still r

(1) Make it easy for alternative OS to run on Surface/Windows-certified devices: Both x86 and ARM. (2) Support OpenDocumentFormat in their office apps. Still remember how they corrupted the ISO certification process by creating OOXML (which is just a wrapper over binary blobs produced by MS-Office) (3) Stop suing Android OEM's for patent licenses

Totoradio 8y ago
About your second point, I just tested it on my machine, Word 2016 saves and opens *.odt files just fine. Is there some unsupported stuff?
- nileshtrivedi 8y ago
  Yes, their implementation is (deliberately?) patchy with many bugs. They've been lobbying to prevent governments from adopting ODF (an open ISO standard with multiple implementations): https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/22/microsoft_uk_odf_response/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/22/microsoft_uk_odf_re...
koyote 8y ago
What do you mean by 'wrapper over binary blobs'? I know the old .doc format was basically a memory dump of the document; but how does OXML relate to that?
- nileshtrivedi 8y ago
  > OpenXML on the other hand, is a high-level specification which describes the high level envelopes used to embed binary objects which are included in the content. The content itself contains the binary code which can call any function in any Microsoft library and has all permissions of the person opening the document. http://slated.org/ooxml_dissecting_the_binary_blob_problem http://slated.org/ooxml_dissecting_the_binary_blob_problem http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/2007/08/microsoft-office-xml-formats-defective.html http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/2007/08/microso...
  - wangyjx 8y ago
    But lots of Office-like apps have implmented OpenXML read/write without MS libraries
IamaMentalGiant 8y ago
Especially (3). The day they stop taking $ for Android is the day I believe.
dcbadacd 8y ago
There's a nice documentary about Microsoft vs. FLOSS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGLS2rSQPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGLS2rSQPQ
g-b-r 8y ago
They'll do it the day they think it's profitable for them to do so, as their public company status obliges them to do, unless their shareholders vote otherwise.
- nileshtrivedi 8y ago
  Of course. That's the point of criticizing them. So that they can see the potential profit in behaving nice.
  - g-b-r 8y ago
    Absolutely.

Totoradio 8y ago

About your second point, I just tested it on my machine, Word 2016 saves and opens *.odt files just fine. Is there some unsupported stuff?

nileshtrivedi 8y ago
Yes, their implementation is (deliberately?) patchy with many bugs. They've been lobbying to prevent governments from adopting ODF (an open ISO standard with multiple implementations): https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/22/microsoft_uk_odf_response/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/22/microsoft_uk_odf_re...

koyote 8y ago

What do you mean by 'wrapper over binary blobs'? I know the old .doc format was basically a memory dump of the document; but how does OXML relate to that?

nileshtrivedi 8y ago
> OpenXML on the other hand, is a high-level specification which describes the high level envelopes used to embed binary objects which are included in the content. The content itself contains the binary code which can call any function in any Microsoft library and has all permissions of the person opening the document. http://slated.org/ooxml_dissecting_the_binary_blob_problem http://slated.org/ooxml_dissecting_the_binary_blob_problem http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/2007/08/microsoft-office-xml-formats-defective.html http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/2007/08/microso...
- wangyjx 8y ago
  But lots of Office-like apps have implmented OpenXML read/write without MS libraries

IamaMentalGiant 8y ago

Especially (3). The day they stop taking $ for Android is the day I believe.

dcbadacd 8y ago

There's a nice documentary about Microsoft vs. FLOSS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGLS2rSQPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGLS2rSQPQ

g-b-r 8y ago

They'll do it the day they think it's profitable for them to do so, as their public company status obliges them to do, unless their shareholders vote otherwise.

nileshtrivedi 8y ago
Of course. That's the point of criticizing them. So that they can see the potential profit in behaving nice.
- g-b-r 8y ago
  Absolutely.