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This is a two-sided sword. Yes, Monsanto will disappear and that could be a good thing. Like lastUsername said before: if they continue their work ethic, then B

This is a two-sided sword. Yes, Monsanto will disappear and that could be a good thing. Like lastUsername said before: if they continue their work ethic, then Bayer will become the new Monsanto. Or as Shakespeare put it in Romeo and Juliet: "’Tis but thy name that is my enemy: Thou art thyself, though not a Montague, What’s Montague? It is not hand nor foot, Nor arm nor face. O be some other name, belonging to a man! What’s in a name? That which we call a rose, By any other word would smell as sweet."

fiblye 8y ago
Yeah, Bayer's gonna see their reputation fade a bit, especially after their past classic hits, including but not limited to Heroin; Slave Labor, Human Experimentation, and Investments in Human Poison During the Holocaust and The World War: Pt II; as well as Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit. When it comes to existing companies that've had intentionally tremendously horrible effects on humanity, it's hard to think of any worse than Bayer.
- faitswulff 8y ago
  > Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit Whoa, what? First I've heard of this. A sort of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment writ large in Asia?
  - jpangs88 8y ago
    http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-hiv/ http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-h...
  - bgarbiak 8y ago
    I believe this is this: "(Bayer's) Cutter (Laboratories) misrepresented the results of its own research and sold the contaminated AHF to overseas markets in Asia and Latin America without the precaution of heat treating the product recommended for eliminating the risk. As a consequence, hemophiliacs who infused the HIV-contaminated Factor VIII and IX tested positive for HIV and developed AIDS." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997
    - contravariant 8y ago
      Being asked to pay 36 euros to see the actual article is somewhat disturbing and worrisome.
      - Matrixik 8y ago
        Sci-hub to the rescue: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780
  - fiblye 8y ago
    After it was revealed that their products were infected and had to be recalled, they realized they could make some cash by just selling it in countries without easy access to western media reports at the time. And Bayer being Bayer, they did it. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannegoldenberg https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannego...
    - bcoates 8y ago
      That's misleading to the point of dishonesty. It wasn't just some bad batch. Factor VIII concentrate required large amounts of human blood plasma to produce, had no real substitute, and was inherently going to be infected once the HIV virus became widespread. It wasn't even certain at the time that the new sterilization procedure was effective against AIDS. There's some serious questions about how decisions were made under crisis conditions, and particularly about the culture of hiding information from patients in the medical community (even in the west) in order to "prevent panic", "for their own good", etc. but it's hard to fight a culture of lying with more lies.
      - fiblye 8y ago
        They knew it was infected. That's the reason they recalled it in financially significant territories. They continued to sell it for a full year after that point. Accidents happen, but intentionally taking your product out of one market that declares it dangerous and dumping it on another--for a period extending one year--isn't an accident. It's a very intentional, shortsighted move to minimize losses.
        abandonliberty 8y ago
        >shortsighted Was it, though? I can't find any reference of consequences from these territories.
        rhizome 8y ago
        Did you check their mortality rates?
nradov 8y ago
Are you trying to imply that Monsanto is an "enemy"?
- sjs382 8y ago
  A lot of people consider it a villian of sorts. Whether those perceptions have merit is a matter for another discussion...
  - sova 8y ago
    Bullying farmers into buying your custom (patented) seeds, suing others when seeds blow into their farmland for patent infringement, ensuring farmers in South America and remote regions need to rely on your seeds and your pesticides for yields... The list is endless. I don't really see how one could modestly even intimate that those perceptions have no merit, if you have been paying attention to how they conduct business and how they've been patenting natural processes it's a very cut-and-dry matter. Shady is shady no matter what you rebrand yourself.
    - stevehawk 8y ago
      The last time I read up on that.. Most of the farmers were lying. They had in fact been using the seed illegally.
      - sova 8y ago
        "Using the seed illegally" -- have we all gone mad?
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    - seattle_spring 8y ago
      Half of the shit you just said is a complete myth. Please consider getting your information from places other than "Natural News" and inflammatory documentaries.
pabloski 8y ago
Humm https://www.alternet.org/environment/monsanto-and-bayers-chemical-romance-heroin-nerve-gas-and-agent-orange https://www.alternet.org/environment/monsanto-and-bayers-che... Zyklon B + Agent orange + Chlorine gas = what can go wrong?
HillaryBriss 8y ago
Maybe it's interesting that there's a town in Portugal named "Monsanto." Its name comes from the Latin "Mons Sanctus," which means "Holy Mountain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_(Idanha-a-Nova) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_(Idanha-a-Nova)
- ttsda 8y ago
  We've also got the Monsanto Forest Park in Lisbon. It was the result of a big foresting effort in 1929 that replaced the agricultural land that was in its place. It's a very interesting place but the english Wikipedia page doesn't have much on it. Maybe I'll work on that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Forest_Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Forest_Park
Reason077 8y ago
Bayer is not exactly a paragon of ethics either. They are a primary manufacturer of Neonicotinoid insecticides and lobbied the EU strongly against a ban, even in the face of scientific consensus that they were causing serious harm to bee populations.
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yellowapple 8y ago
"Oh Monsanto, oh Monsanto. Wherefore art thou Monsanto?"

fiblye 8y ago

Yeah, Bayer's gonna see their reputation fade a bit, especially after their past classic hits, including but not limited to Heroin; Slave Labor, Human Experimentation, and Investments in Human Poison During the Holocaust and The World War: Pt II; as well as Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit. When it comes to existing companies that've had intentionally tremendously horrible effects on humanity, it's hard to think of any worse than Bayer.

faitswulff 8y ago
> Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit Whoa, what? First I've heard of this. A sort of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment writ large in Asia?
- jpangs88 8y ago
  http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-hiv/ http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-h...
- bgarbiak 8y ago
  I believe this is this: "(Bayer's) Cutter (Laboratories) misrepresented the results of its own research and sold the contaminated AHF to overseas markets in Asia and Latin America without the precaution of heat treating the product recommended for eliminating the risk. As a consequence, hemophiliacs who infused the HIV-contaminated Factor VIII and IX tested positive for HIV and developed AIDS." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997
  - contravariant 8y ago
    Being asked to pay 36 euros to see the actual article is somewhat disturbing and worrisome.
    - Matrixik 8y ago
      Sci-hub to the rescue: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780
- fiblye 8y ago
  After it was revealed that their products were infected and had to be recalled, they realized they could make some cash by just selling it in countries without easy access to western media reports at the time. And Bayer being Bayer, they did it. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannegoldenberg https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannego...
  - bcoates 8y ago
    That's misleading to the point of dishonesty. It wasn't just some bad batch. Factor VIII concentrate required large amounts of human blood plasma to produce, had no real substitute, and was inherently going to be infected once the HIV virus became widespread. It wasn't even certain at the time that the new sterilization procedure was effective against AIDS. There's some serious questions about how decisions were made under crisis conditions, and particularly about the culture of hiding information from patients in the medical community (even in the west) in order to "prevent panic", "for their own good", etc. but it's hard to fight a culture of lying with more lies.
    - fiblye 8y ago
      They knew it was infected. That's the reason they recalled it in financially significant territories. They continued to sell it for a full year after that point. Accidents happen, but intentionally taking your product out of one market that declares it dangerous and dumping it on another--for a period extending one year--isn't an accident. It's a very intentional, shortsighted move to minimize losses.
      - abandonliberty 8y ago
        >shortsighted Was it, though? I can't find any reference of consequences from these territories.
        rhizome 8y ago
        Did you check their mortality rates?

nradov 8y ago

Are you trying to imply that Monsanto is an "enemy"?

sjs382 8y ago
A lot of people consider it a villian of sorts. Whether those perceptions have merit is a matter for another discussion...
- sova 8y ago
  Bullying farmers into buying your custom (patented) seeds, suing others when seeds blow into their farmland for patent infringement, ensuring farmers in South America and remote regions need to rely on your seeds and your pesticides for yields... The list is endless. I don't really see how one could modestly even intimate that those perceptions have no merit, if you have been paying attention to how they conduct business and how they've been patenting natural processes it's a very cut-and-dry matter. Shady is shady no matter what you rebrand yourself.
  - stevehawk 8y ago
    The last time I read up on that.. Most of the farmers were lying. They had in fact been using the seed illegally.
    - sova 8y ago
      "Using the seed illegally" -- have we all gone mad?
      - deleted 8y ago
        [deleted]
  - seattle_spring 8y ago
    Half of the shit you just said is a complete myth. Please consider getting your information from places other than "Natural News" and inflammatory documentaries.

pabloski 8y ago

Humm https://www.alternet.org/environment/monsanto-and-bayers-chemical-romance-heroin-nerve-gas-and-agent-orange https://www.alternet.org/environment/monsanto-and-bayers-che... Zyklon B + Agent orange + Chlorine gas = what can go wrong?

HillaryBriss 8y ago

Maybe it's interesting that there's a town in Portugal named "Monsanto." Its name comes from the Latin "Mons Sanctus," which means "Holy Mountain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_(Idanha-a-Nova) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_(Idanha-a-Nova)

ttsda 8y ago
We've also got the Monsanto Forest Park in Lisbon. It was the result of a big foresting effort in 1929 that replaced the agricultural land that was in its place. It's a very interesting place but the english Wikipedia page doesn't have much on it. Maybe I'll work on that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Forest_Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Forest_Park

Reason077 8y ago

Bayer is not exactly a paragon of ethics either. They are a primary manufacturer of Neonicotinoid insecticides and lobbied the EU strongly against a ban, even in the face of scientific consensus that they were causing serious harm to bee populations.

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yellowapple 8y ago

"Oh Monsanto, oh Monsanto. Wherefore art thou Monsanto?"