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I work for Microsoft, we run systems that are not built on MS technologies. There’s absolutely no push for migration. In my opinion, no-one will pressure GitHub

I work for Microsoft, we run systems that are not built on MS technologies. There’s absolutely no push for migration. In my opinion, no-one will pressure GitHub to change their stack, it would be a suicide. Disclaimer: this is just my personal opinion.

rubbingalcohol 8y ago
So you have inside knowledge of their business purpose in aquiring GitHub? Are you posting this in an official capacity as a representative of the company? Or do you not really know and just elevating your two cents using the name of your employer?
- notimetorelax 8y ago
  I have absolutely no knowledge of the deal. I’m commenting on the tech stack discussion, given my experience in the company and if GitHub joins, I’m 99.99% sure they will stay on the tech stack that they have today. Look at LinkedIn, it is still running on Scala.
  - pscsbs 8y ago
    Minor clarification: LinkedIn primarily runs on Java not Scala.
  - ludston 8y ago
    It's generally not a good idea to make unofficial statements about the choices your employer might take in the future, especially if your employer is a public company. There are some weird legal things that can happen. (e.g. If you say, "Microsoft is going to support technology XYZ" and then someone buys shares in technology XYZ because you said this, and then Microsoft doesn't do this, are you liable?)
    - notimetorelax 8y ago
      Thank you for this, I should have put a disclaimer.
- DevKoala 8y ago
  I do have a bit of experience in acquisitions, and revenue is king, for which you have to move fast; changing the stack of an already working system would be suicide. Definitely expect more native GitHub integrations in Azure, and Azure first tools.
tootie 8y ago
I was looking at draft.sh from the Azure open source team and the current (very early) version literally only works on Mac. The only install method listed is Homebrew.
- bacongobbler 8y ago
  Actually we have release assets for Mac, Windows, and Linux with support for 64-bit and ARM architectures. Someone from the community added Chocolatey support not too long ago. :) Disclaimer: I am one of the core maintainers of Draft.
  - tootie 8y ago
    Oh, nice! Please update your docs. Releasing code is worthless if no one knows how to get it.
    - bacongobbler 8y ago
      Thanks for the feedback! I'm currently going through the docs and re-vamping them as we speak in https://github.com/Azure/draft/pull/770 https://github.com/Azure/draft/pull/770. For now https://github.com/Azure/draft/blob/master/docs/quickstart.md#install-and-configure-draft https://github.com/Azure/draft/blob/master/docs/quickstart.m... is the canonical list of options to install Draft.
      - tootie 8y ago
        Awesome thanks. Would you recommend WSL for my dockering on Win 10 or stick to Powershell.
        bacongobbler 8y ago
        Do what tickles your fancy.
IMcD23 8y ago
Aside from Wunderlist, who was acquired and running on AWS, and had to switch to Azure and rewrite a bunch of their code to become ToDo.
- zeusk 8y ago
  The scale of products you're talking about are vastly different. Meanwhile, I'd really like for people to stop hating Microsoft just because "Microsoft".
  - zxcvhjkl 8y ago
    > Meanwhile, I'd really like for people to stop hating Microsoft just because "Microsoft" Why is that? Why should people forget how evil MS was and still is?
    - zeusk 8y ago
      > Why is that? Why should people forget how evil MS was and still is? I'm not asking for that, but making wild baseless predictions of how the service will go to shitter or how suddenly all private code will be ripped off and "I'm going to gitlab now, because Microsoft sucks!" is not part of a healthy discussion. I do have some privacy concerns but they're no less than when Github was not owned by an enterprise software company; If anything I'd be more concerned about privacy if it were Google or Facebook making this acquisition.
      - feanaro 8y ago
        > I'm not asking for that, but making wild baseless predictions of how the service will go to shitter or how suddenly all private code will be ripped off and "I'm going to gitlab now, because Microsoft sucks!" is not part of a healthy discussion. But they're not baseless predictions, they're based on past information and it tells us it would be prudent to minimize reliance of Github sooner rather than later.
      - zxcvhjkl 8y ago
        People base their expectations on past performance. And for MS it hasn’t been stellar. But there is no need for speculation; we will wait and see. The problem is deeper than that though. Unless you were developing an Editor or a Git hosting service, you were not in direct competition with GitHub. Suddenly a lot of startups will find their private code hosted by a direct competitor. I wouldn’t feel comfortable if I was them.
exmsft_throw32 8y ago
Not right away, but eventually MS "old boy network" cancer will metastasize there and push all the good people out, just like it did in every single other acquisition. This problem is not unique to Microsoft: other large companies have it too. But it is more acute, because at MS the old boys network is utterly incompetent, completely entrenched, and the company is 100% top-down. Frontline devs are expected to do as they are told, and are considered to be expendable "resources". In contrast, at SV companies managers are more expendable than good engineers.
bumblebritches5 8y ago
Except minecraft...

rubbingalcohol 8y ago

So you have inside knowledge of their business purpose in aquiring GitHub? Are you posting this in an official capacity as a representative of the company? Or do you not really know and just elevating your two cents using the name of your employer?

notimetorelax 8y ago
I have absolutely no knowledge of the deal. I’m commenting on the tech stack discussion, given my experience in the company and if GitHub joins, I’m 99.99% sure they will stay on the tech stack that they have today. Look at LinkedIn, it is still running on Scala.
- pscsbs 8y ago
  Minor clarification: LinkedIn primarily runs on Java not Scala.
- ludston 8y ago
  It's generally not a good idea to make unofficial statements about the choices your employer might take in the future, especially if your employer is a public company. There are some weird legal things that can happen. (e.g. If you say, "Microsoft is going to support technology XYZ" and then someone buys shares in technology XYZ because you said this, and then Microsoft doesn't do this, are you liable?)
  - notimetorelax 8y ago
    Thank you for this, I should have put a disclaimer.
DevKoala 8y ago
I do have a bit of experience in acquisitions, and revenue is king, for which you have to move fast; changing the stack of an already working system would be suicide. Definitely expect more native GitHub integrations in Azure, and Azure first tools.

tootie 8y ago

I was looking at draft.sh from the Azure open source team and the current (very early) version literally only works on Mac. The only install method listed is Homebrew.

bacongobbler 8y ago
Actually we have release assets for Mac, Windows, and Linux with support for 64-bit and ARM architectures. Someone from the community added Chocolatey support not too long ago. :) Disclaimer: I am one of the core maintainers of Draft.
- tootie 8y ago
  Oh, nice! Please update your docs. Releasing code is worthless if no one knows how to get it.
  - bacongobbler 8y ago
    Thanks for the feedback! I'm currently going through the docs and re-vamping them as we speak in https://github.com/Azure/draft/pull/770 https://github.com/Azure/draft/pull/770. For now https://github.com/Azure/draft/blob/master/docs/quickstart.md#install-and-configure-draft https://github.com/Azure/draft/blob/master/docs/quickstart.m... is the canonical list of options to install Draft.
    - tootie 8y ago
      Awesome thanks. Would you recommend WSL for my dockering on Win 10 or stick to Powershell.
      - bacongobbler 8y ago
        Do what tickles your fancy.

IMcD23 8y ago

Aside from Wunderlist, who was acquired and running on AWS, and had to switch to Azure and rewrite a bunch of their code to become ToDo.

zeusk 8y ago
The scale of products you're talking about are vastly different. Meanwhile, I'd really like for people to stop hating Microsoft just because "Microsoft".
- zxcvhjkl 8y ago
  > Meanwhile, I'd really like for people to stop hating Microsoft just because "Microsoft" Why is that? Why should people forget how evil MS was and still is?
  - zeusk 8y ago
    > Why is that? Why should people forget how evil MS was and still is? I'm not asking for that, but making wild baseless predictions of how the service will go to shitter or how suddenly all private code will be ripped off and "I'm going to gitlab now, because Microsoft sucks!" is not part of a healthy discussion. I do have some privacy concerns but they're no less than when Github was not owned by an enterprise software company; If anything I'd be more concerned about privacy if it were Google or Facebook making this acquisition.
    - feanaro 8y ago
      > I'm not asking for that, but making wild baseless predictions of how the service will go to shitter or how suddenly all private code will be ripped off and "I'm going to gitlab now, because Microsoft sucks!" is not part of a healthy discussion. But they're not baseless predictions, they're based on past information and it tells us it would be prudent to minimize reliance of Github sooner rather than later.
    - zxcvhjkl 8y ago
      People base their expectations on past performance. And for MS it hasn’t been stellar. But there is no need for speculation; we will wait and see. The problem is deeper than that though. Unless you were developing an Editor or a Git hosting service, you were not in direct competition with GitHub. Suddenly a lot of startups will find their private code hosted by a direct competitor. I wouldn’t feel comfortable if I was them.

exmsft_throw32 8y ago

Not right away, but eventually MS "old boy network" cancer will metastasize there and push all the good people out, just like it did in every single other acquisition. This problem is not unique to Microsoft: other large companies have it too. But it is more acute, because at MS the old boys network is utterly incompetent, completely entrenched, and the company is 100% top-down. Frontline devs are expected to do as they are told, and are considered to be expendable "resources". In contrast, at SV companies managers are more expendable than good engineers.

bumblebritches5 8y ago

Except minecraft...