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Goes to show that when an industry does not self-regulate, it gets over-regulated, which often disproportionately benefits incumbents, which incentivizes future

Goes to show that when an industry does not self-regulate, it gets over-regulated, which often disproportionately benefits incumbents, which incentivizes future lack of self regulation.

adventured 8y ago
Not exactly. GDPR only applies to the EU. China isn't going to rewrite its laws to make the EU happy and mirror GDPR, neither is the US. It's more accurate to say that when an industry doesn't self-regulate, the EU over-regulates and shoots themselves in the face. The US and China will race even further out ahead accordingly. In the US I can easily unleash a large user data hungry AI at will, experimenting all day long with anything and everything I can come up with. I can screw with people's data in countless ways, without their permission. While this haven exists, I can rapidly learn and come up with technology and services that tech companies in the EU can't risk attempting and won't bother to contemplate. To the point: you can still push every edge of the AI revolution in the US and China, to see what's there. That revolution is heavily built on user data. In the EU, you're in a straight-jacket at the very beginning of the revolution (one that is guaranteed to only get tighter), many years before we've even seriously begun experimenting with the fertile soil. They're fucked, the world will be dominated by AI that comes out of either the US or China, or both.
- lovemenot 8y ago
  GDPR does not restrict EU companies' activities in less regulated markets. They are still just as free to abuse the privacy of users in USA as are their competitors overseas. Your anxiety appears to be about American AI companies' competiveness in the face of even worse abuse of users' privacy in China than in USA. In a race to the bottom do you really want to be the winner, no matter what?
  - detaro 8y ago
    https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor in the Union, regardless of whether the processing takes place in the Union or not.

Goes to show that when an industry does not self-regulate, it gets over-regulated, which often disproportionately benefits incumbents, which incentivizes future lack of self regulation.

adventured 8y ago

Not exactly. GDPR only applies to the EU. China isn't going to rewrite its laws to make the EU happy and mirror GDPR, neither is the US. It's more accurate to say that when an industry doesn't self-regulate, the EU over-regulates and shoots themselves in the face. The US and China will race even further out ahead accordingly. In the US I can easily unleash a large user data hungry AI at will, experimenting all day long with anything and everything I can come up with. I can screw with people's data in countless ways, without their permission. While this haven exists, I can rapidly learn and come up with technology and services that tech companies in the EU can't risk attempting and won't bother to contemplate. To the point: you can still push every edge of the AI revolution in the US and China, to see what's there. That revolution is heavily built on user data. In the EU, you're in a straight-jacket at the very beginning of the revolution (one that is guaranteed to only get tighter), many years before we've even seriously begun experimenting with the fertile soil. They're fucked, the world will be dominated by AI that comes out of either the US or China, or both.

lovemenot 8y ago
GDPR does not restrict EU companies' activities in less regulated markets. They are still just as free to abuse the privacy of users in USA as are their competitors overseas. Your anxiety appears to be about American AI companies' competiveness in the face of even worse abuse of users' privacy in China than in USA. In a race to the bottom do you really want to be the winner, no matter what?
- detaro 8y ago
  https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ > This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor in the Union, regardless of whether the processing takes place in the Union or not.