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Yeah, it seems like all the little stuff, bikes, ebikes, and electric scooters should Idaho stop. Idaho stopping is really just a hacky manual substitute for e

Yeah, it seems like all the little stuff, bikes, ebikes, and electric scooters should Idaho stop. Idaho stopping is really just a hacky manual substitute for electric assist and automatic stabilization wheels. It's one that has an unfortunate slippery slope built into it.

sitkack 8y ago
It isn't. It separates bike traffic from car traffic. I had a fairly long commute that was punctuated by a set of lights. If I rode up to the red and waited for the green, I ended up passing and getting passed by countless numbers of the same set of cars during this stretch of road. If I blew the red, and got ahead of the pack of cars, I exposed myself to 1/10 the number of collision instances.
- wand3r 8y ago
  As someone who doesn’t cycle this is mind boggling. Obviously if you arbitrarily pick which laws you follow you will be better off. I can’t stand cyclists they observe laws like pedestrians when it’s convenient but want to be treated and afforded all the same space on the roadways as cars.
  - sitkack 8y ago
    It isn't arbitrary, it minimizes the chance of a car/bicycle collision. Most car drivers are bad at interacting with cyclists. The downside for someone in a car is a messed up bumper and scratched paint, the downside for a cyclist is injury or death. Bicycles are in a 3rd place between motor vehicles and pedestrians, of course they can transition between modes in ways that cars or pedestrians cannot. So can people on skateboards, skates and the myriad of personal electric vehicles. I am extremely cognizant of how I operate a bicycle around pedestrians, the onus should be on the person operating the dangerous device in the interaction. Cars don't own the road. Look at the history of jay walking and how the person car dynamic has changed over time. https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history

sitkack 8y ago

It isn't. It separates bike traffic from car traffic. I had a fairly long commute that was punctuated by a set of lights. If I rode up to the red and waited for the green, I ended up passing and getting passed by countless numbers of the same set of cars during this stretch of road. If I blew the red, and got ahead of the pack of cars, I exposed myself to 1/10 the number of collision instances.

wand3r 8y ago
As someone who doesn’t cycle this is mind boggling. Obviously if you arbitrarily pick which laws you follow you will be better off. I can’t stand cyclists they observe laws like pedestrians when it’s convenient but want to be treated and afforded all the same space on the roadways as cars.
- sitkack 8y ago
  It isn't arbitrary, it minimizes the chance of a car/bicycle collision. Most car drivers are bad at interacting with cyclists. The downside for someone in a car is a messed up bumper and scratched paint, the downside for a cyclist is injury or death. Bicycles are in a 3rd place between motor vehicles and pedestrians, of course they can transition between modes in ways that cars or pedestrians cannot. So can people on skateboards, skates and the myriad of personal electric vehicles. I am extremely cognizant of how I operate a bicycle around pedestrians, the onus should be on the person operating the dangerous device in the interaction. Cars don't own the road. Look at the history of jay walking and how the person car dynamic has changed over time. https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history